Canadian poker pro Gordon Vayo has sued the world's top site, PokerStars, for not paying out to him the prize money worth $692,460.92 that he apparently won during the 2017 SCOOP series via his online username "holla@yoboy", according to a Forbes SportsMoney article. The lawsuit is currently pending in the U.S. District Court for the Central District of California, and it includes counts of fraud [...] Read more » Poker Pro Gordon Vayo Sues PokerStars for Unpaid $692,000 Win
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Posted by T3ddyKGB:
Posted by bowie1984: Their ToS clearly stating what are their rights in cases like this. Not saying it's fair nor right what they doing, but they have the upper hand here IMO.
agreed. its his own fault using VPN. he should have better know.. to avoid probs like this.
They dont know if he ised vpn... only pokerstars asune he used it... vayo says he wasnt, and that he have proof that he was in canada for those 2 days that tournamet was running...
they dont know? vayo self admitted he was using... you cant "just assume" someone did something, so PS surely has proofs to act the way they did.
once i installed a new harddrive on my pc and immediatly received a mail from PS asking if its me logged on pokerstars, untill i explained..
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Posted by T3ddyKGB:
Posted by StheP:
Posted by T3ddyKGB:
Posted by bowie1984: Their ToS clearly stating what are their rights in cases like this. Not saying it's fair nor right what they doing, but they have the upper hand here IMO.
agreed. its his own fault using VPN. he should have better know.. to avoid probs like this.
They dont know if he ised vpn... only pokerstars asune he used it... vayo says he wasnt, and that he have proof that he was in canada for those 2 days that tournamet was running...
they dont know? vayo self admitted he was using... you cant "just assume" someone did something, so PS surely has proofs to act the way they did.
once i installed a new harddrive on my pc and immediatly received a mail from PS asking if its me logged on pokerstars, untill i explained..
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and you know that because you sit next to him? pokerstars claims he did! and i dont think their allegation based on a assumption but a proof. so far we can only speculate if he did or not. if thats the case then i have no pity with mr vago.
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Posted by T3ddyKGB:
and you know that because you sit next to him? pokerstars claims he did! and i dont think their allegation based on a assumption but a proof. so far we can only speculate if he did or not. if thats the case then i have no pity with mr vago.
you realise there is almoust no way that pokerstars know if he used vpn or not? thats why vpn's are created... dont know why you defend them...
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well we cant know anything till they give proof for this thing that they say!its easy to say that somebody is guilty and its all finished!I dont believe to any side,till they assure me who's fault is it!if they didnt investigate till end this,then poker stars is in problem!
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Posted by StheP:
Posted by T3ddyKGB:
and you know that because you sit next to him? pokerstars claims he did! and i dont think their allegation based on a assumption but a proof. so far we can only speculate if he did or not. if thats the case then i have no pity with mr vago.
you realise there is almoust no way that pokerstars know if he used vpn or not? thats why vpn's are created... dont know why you defend them...
you see your mistake? in reverse it means they cant recognize his usual location = he used VPN. btw, VPN and anonymity is a myth in my eyes. there is nothing untraceable on internet. least your VPN provider knows your IP. the rest is just domino.. but even without its still possible to recognize your location or if your using VPN.
oh, im not defending PS. just dont understand vago´s reckless goofiness to think to get through with somethign like that (in case he really did..). PS has competent programmers. its no streaming website for uploaded movies. thats why I think he did..
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I say it will be a good process for this player if he can prove he was in Canada at the time. I think pokerstars are trying to confiscate that money because they did not react immediately after which "holla@yoboy" has won that tournament. Amaya group behaves strange here.
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They are not the only ones at then end. All sites, be it casino or poker are trying every time to see if a rule or term of them, got violated, in order not to pay the money, some times rightfully, some times not. The net is full with complaints.
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Posted by T3ddyKGB:
Posted by StheP:
Posted by T3ddyKGB:
and you know that because you sit next to him? pokerstars claims he did! and i dont think their allegation based on a assumption but a proof. so far we can only speculate if he did or not. if thats the case then i have no pity with mr vago.
you realise there is almoust no way that pokerstars know if he used vpn or not? thats why vpn's are created... dont know why you defend them...
you see your mistake? in reverse it means they cant recognize his usual location = he used VPN. btw, VPN and anonymity is a myth in my eyes. there is nothing untraceable on internet. least your VPN provider knows your IP. the rest is just domino.. but even without its still possible to recognize your location or if your using VPN.
oh, im not defending PS. just dont understand vago's reckless goofiness to think to get through with somethign like that (in case he really did..). PS has competent programmers. its no streaming website for uploaded movies. thats why I think he did..
you obv dont know how vpn works... and I can tell you again that there is no way ps know if he used or not...
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we still dont have any new informations about this thing and this can be huge problem if players dont get any explanation from poker stars or player or whoever!its not normal situation and its big amount in game!would be nice to know truth!
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To use a vpn is quite interesting but i do not know for sure if you can be traced or not. My opinion is that you can be traced because he assures security but professionals can handle with these vpns. Anything can be broken even if he secures much things. It's hard to believe that you can not be traced by pokerstars because big corporations have better technologies and many things are not on the hands of normal people.
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This is definitely one of the most unique and interesting cases. I am not someone who has special technical or legal knowledge above that of the average person, so I cannot and will not choose sides in this dispute.
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A site like pokerstars and they dont know if someone is using vpn? I really doubt about this. Arent most vpn sites or services using the same ip addresses? Some siteswhere you look up ip's even telling you that you are using vpn, with names of the company etc.
