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i know what u meen when im one low limit and 4 people go allin and i have AA i usealy foldem because with 4 people against ur AA its hard 2 win u should try and see more flops lets say ur on the 0.05/0.10 table and u raize 3 dollars people now what u have so u should raize 0.50 cent ors something higher, cause mabye someone will raize u and the u can reraize him and then u the pot will almost all ways go heads up en then u got a good winning chance.
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With AA one likes to see all the money go in the middle before the flop. At that point you are a huge favorite. So raise and reraise if possible. After the flop came down you can't be sure to still be in the lead, so use common sense.
If you made an normal raise to 3-4BB before the flop, and the remaining 96-97BB went in over 3 streets, you have overplayed your aces.
AA is played best against on, maybe two opponents. In a multiwaypot the chance of a 2pair or better hand after the river is huge.
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fold AA ljuban i remember once a pro saying (dont remember who): "the day i fold AA is the day i retire" i understand if there is many caller, yet you have to best chances to win.
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Never never fold AA preflop offcourse.
But...
Sometimes there are circumstances that you cud problably fold AA preflop. For example you play a satelite and the seat really important to you and if 1 out you get the seat and 3 people allin what you do when your average stack?
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of course there´s exceptions as your example for instance , i definalty would fold and wait for others to make mistakes and drop out. btw i haughtily made this mistake twice even with a big stack (was trying to reach rank 1-3 to get more money), and at end i didnt even get a seat for the next round but lets say there´s 20 more people in front of you, and you have the smallest stack. then i do prefer to get as many caller as possible - like now or never.
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Posted by doomdy: Never never fold AA preflop offcourse.
But...
Sometimes there are circumstances that you cud problably fold AA preflop. For example you play a satelite and the seat really important to you and if 1 out you get the seat and 3 people allin what you do when your average stack?
yeah that would have to be the only reason to fold AA pre flop, if you fold AA pre flop under normal circamstances you really shouldnt be playing the game, what else are you waiting for? 2 wild cards maybe.
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I would be insta folding everything if I was on the button at the WSOP Main event... There was some seriously sick suck outs around that time this year...
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In low limit cash games, people will call preflop allins with so many marginal hands. I normally want to see the flop and give more actions, but i don't mind how many people call my allin preflop if i hold AA. ( KK matters, because everytime i have KK, and go allin if someone calls with AK,AQ even AJo, they hit their A )
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if you go all in pre flop 10000000000 times with aces, you will be on average a big winner, even if the whole table calls every time. if you do it only 5 or 10 times ... you cant predict the results.. AA against any random hand is 80% favorite, that means you are still going to lose 1 in 5 times no matter what cards they hold. Now if you are playing DEEP stacked, you need to be even more careful because if you play improperly after the flop, AA can even be a losing hand in 10000000000000 hands. google for 'tips from the bear small pair versus big pair experiment' (its from barry greenstein) and listen to that audio clip
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Hello, When I have AA in hand I am very watchful. Generally this hand is a hand has accident. I throw(cast) this hand is 60 % of time. I moderate according to the table. I want there, if I am on the table for a long time, if I was able to analyzed the players. Does not make it to you it is a very often losing hand. To you to smell when it is necessary to throw(cast) or to boost(relaunch). I would advise you of na not to send all in.
Goodbye.
In french for you. ;=) Bonjour,
Quand j'ai AA en main je suis très vigilant. Généralement cette main est une main a accident. Je jette cette main a 60% du temps. Je modère suivant la table. Je veux dire par là, si je suis sur la table depuis longtemps, si j'ai pu analysé les joueurs. Ne t'en fait pas c'est une main très souvent perdante. A toi de sentir quand il faut jeter ou relancer. Je te conseillerait de na pas envoyer all in.
A bientôt.
------------ Ouppps
Does not make it to you it is a very often winning hand.
Ne t'en fait pas c'est une main très souvent "GAGNANTE"
lol
Edited by BlackHeart (11 December 2008 @ 11:55 GMT)
Is necessary it to go alin with pair of ace on a table extremely loose?
I lost 3 times in the day with AA, I play in NL5.
Which strategy is necessary it to adopt?
Thanks
PS: i am french, it's translate in english
It depends on your stack. If the pot is large enough then you should push AA. Another way you should raise/reraise (but not minraise/minreraise in order to get more players to play the hand).
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If you get the money to the middle preflop with AA your doing the right thing and keep doing it!! just bad luck you lost 4 times but in the long run you will win .
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if your on a loose table and a few people push in pre flop..you cant fold especially in a ring game as you should be playing in your bankroll. the only time you fold AA is if your in a satelite and its in the bubble, even then id be very reluctant to fold pre flop.
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THe problem with AA is that everyone thinks that they should automatically make a lot of money when the have it. So the slow play it to make sure people don't fold pre flop while in fact you really don't want people with bad hands in there cheap. That way you just make sure to flush your implied odds down the toilet, if someone goes in with say 78 or 5Q or even JT or something similar, a hand the wouldn't play against a serious bet pre flop. The only way the will pay money with a hand like that is if they have ou beat or you hit that A, which you probably won't.You don't have to push all in with AA but you definitely should raise pretty heavily unless you either are playing heads up or are pretty sure that someone will raise behind you imho. And be happy if you win the pot, even if you only pick up the blinds, it's suicide to slow play every hand.
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Exactly what i was thinking Whiskerer, Take the blinds and be happy, ive had my rockets busted too many times. Big raise, knock off any limpers and hope you hit the KK or QQ guys
1. raise 4x preflop. then when on the flop raise 4x+ 1 for every opponent to act.
preflop: 2. on a table that is extremely loose ( if you expect 3 people + to call), i would check and see what happens. If you have more than 2 people in the hand, It may be smarter to just call and see if the board is dangerous or not
eg:
A A
9 5 9
here I would probably either raise alot so that drawing for the flush is expensive, or i would check/call and see what the turn is first. raising is alot better though.
remember to play the opponent, not just the cards. If you know someone is very tight, then you should be comfortable enough knowing your probably gonna win the hand.
if you think they may play alot of suited connectors, ( ie are looser), you may want to just shove. I'm not sure.
, i definalty would fold and wait for others to make mistakes and drop out.
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