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  7-Dec-08, 14:26   #1
WHAT SHOULD I DO FOLD CALL OR SHOVE???? -1   
this0is0me 
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PokerStars Game #22699326158: Tournament #125446421, $4.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2008/12/07 9:05:19 ET
Table '125446421 20' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Vincent02 (1160 in chips)
Seat 2: 3gonzo3 (2891 in chips)
Seat 3: Pfiffikus86 (1120 in chips)
Seat 4: artsenig (1051 in chips)
Seat 5: A1T67 (2040 in chips)
Seat 6: this0is0me (2418 in chips)
Seat 7: MikeF721 (1540 in chips)
Seat 8: eatmorewhale (1975 in chips)
Seat 9: svedske (1345 in chips)
3gonzo3: posts small blind 15
Pfiffikus86: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to this0is0me [Qd Qh]
artsenig: folds
A1T67: calls 30
this0is0me: raises 135 to 165
MikeF721: calls 165
eatmorewhale: folds
svedske: calls 165
Vincent02: folds
3gonzo3: folds
Pfiffikus86: folds
A1T67: calls 135
*** FLOP *** [4s Kh 3c]
A1T67: checks
this0is0me: bets 253
MikeF721: calls 253
svedske: folds
A1T67: folds
*** TURN *** [4s Kh 3c] 9 of diamonds
this0is0me: checks
MikeF721: bets 300


After 20 hands his stats were 19%vpip/13%pfr

     
  7-Dec-08, 14:39   #2
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shokaku 

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Three opponents see the flop. An overcard hits the board. One opponent stays in the hand. Would he do this without the king? I doubt it, espacially if i see his tightish stats.

He had put in half his stack so you can't push him off his hand. Fold and on to the next hand.

     
  7-Dec-08, 14:39   #3
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doomdy 

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For me an easy fold Thumbs Up

     
  7-Dec-08, 19:39   #4
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Predobar 
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fold without hesitation

     
  7-Dec-08, 20:00   #5
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intentcity4 

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if you wanted to keep the hand alive you had to bet 300 on the turn, and he would have to fold if he didnt have it, if he came over the top then you fold, it was poor play on your part i think to show weakness on the turn, i think he played you.

Edited by intentcity4 (07 December 2008 @ 20:07 GMT)


     
  7-Dec-08, 20:14   #6
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Predobar 
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my thoughts too but at situation where he checked the turn it is either fold or risk and go allin. Since it is a tourney, fold. I have one trick to control pots in this situations but aint gonna share it Tongue

     
  7-Dec-08, 21:39   #7
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weakminded 

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I know i't's hard to throw away a pocket Q but whit that player stats and an overcard on the table he is probably playing his King. you have to think about this, or you lose your bet and just fold and stay in the tournament or you hope he's bluffing and you win ONE pot. since a tournament is more than one pot Smile I think a fold is probably the best thing to do.

good luck in your next tournaments, maybe you should read some books about playing sng's and tournaments, the'll explain how to play this kind of hands in this situations Smile.

     
  7-Dec-08, 21:45   #8
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xxxbchxxx 

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Pocket Q is the worst hand to have in a multi way pot (in my own experiance)
but then when i get QQ i always dread it it seems to be my bock hand.
I usualy play it like AA and try getting people out of the pot pre-flop. then post flop get ready to fold to an A or K
peace Cool

     
  8-Dec-08, 00:55   #9
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M3turbo 
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Posted by Predobar:
my thoughts too but at situation where he checked the turn it is either fold or risk and go allin. Since it is a tourney, fold. I have one trick to control pots in this situations but aint gonna share it Tongue



Can you make the K disappear Tongue

     
  8-Dec-08, 07:36   #10
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Predobar 
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No K will be persistent constant but board is still a variable on flop. Tongue

     
  8-Dec-08, 09:02   #11
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lomax 

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oh i think that this is an easy fold and you must pass without exitation....probably your opponent had a K Confused Confused

     
  8-Dec-08, 18:36   #12
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acehighness 

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easy fold ... you did a pretty big (huge actually) raise preflop ... pretty sure he called with KQ, AK or even KK is possible. at low stakes, if someone bets out after you have shown serious aggression, they usually have it...
so are you going to tell us how the hand worked out ?? or after so many ppl telling you to fold you dont want to tell us you want all in and got called ? lol .. just kidding of course !

     
  9-Dec-08, 03:00   #13
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M3turbo 
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Posted by Predobar:
No K will be persistent constant but board is still a variable on flop. Tongue



Heart Predobar Heart We allways agree Smile

I know many pockets 33-TT(JJ) (QQ+ would probably have raised pre) will often make the flop call and evaluate on turn action but it's a nasty spot imo especially in a tour. I think turn bet has to rather large to get a donk flop call to fold turn and you have to do this at a point where you actually don't want to invest too much since you could easily be drawing to a 2 outer.

Predobar are you thinking of C/C flop and evaluate turn? Let's hear it Big Smile

     
  9-Dec-08, 03:14   #14
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GeneYuss 

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What shokaku said, 3 opponents call big raise preflop. Such a high chance someone hit and you don't have position which makes it worse. So I would check here almost 100% of the time and possibly call bet from loose player.

     
  9-Dec-08, 06:19   #15
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hawkgman 
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judging by value of tournament $4 and the way he called then bet, he could well have had a marginal hand like K 9 suited prelfop. and hit the 2nd pair on turn, thinking maybe you have AK KQ, and your going to bet it up. easy fold for me 2. just got to let them go sometimes. I wouldnt have bet flop either. would have just checked it
and seen what he does. over card on flop means that any call for big money later can only be made if you hit one of your Qs, just not worth it. Thumbs Up

     
  9-Dec-08, 09:30   #16
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Eeben 
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easy fold . No reason to risk your tournament here .

     
  9-Dec-08, 09:44   #17
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Predobar 
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Its not CC and its not that simple, I will just say that to successfully pull that move in this hand it should have been slightly different play from preflop. Sorry, but i haven`t seen somebody else do this and for now, forgive me, but I will keep it to myself.

     
  9-Dec-08, 15:02   #18
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M3turbo 
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Posted by Predobar:
Its not CC and its not that simple, I will just say that to successfully pull that move in this hand it should have been slightly different play from preflop. Sorry, but i haven`t seen somebody else do this and for now, forgive me, but I will keep it to myself.



Sure.

What to do here besides the std check/fold is so based on the opponent.

     
  9-Dec-08, 22:50   #19
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this0is0me 
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hehe, thx guys this realy helped me if you wanna know the end i did fold but just had a strange taste afterwards because you never know when you do get bluffed thats why i posted the hand and on the fact that i should have bet the turn i think personally if he called my flop bet with 2 players acting after him there is no way he would fold to my turn bet

     
  13-Dec-08, 23:56   #20
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AdrienD 
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hes tight so you gotta put him on a range of hands id say its AK/KQ/22-JJ (some times KK/AA)
flop call with 2 players behind could be AK/KQ/33-JJ
with this range you should just shove the turn and hope to get called by 55-JJ thinking that you are bluffing especially in these 4.4$ tourneys there are a lot of callingstations even if they are tight preflop!

as played there is no other option but to fold, if you raise he is going to fold everything except hands that have you beat and if you call then youre in a reverse implied odds situation where he is either going to check and you win at best on the river (winning you nothing more) but you could lose everything if you call another bet on the river.

     
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