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hi,
in my point of view you made two mistakes :
1/ flat call a raise OOP preflop with ATo is a big mistake , indeed , can you tell me what you are looking for with this hand ?? you know your oponent got AK , AQ AJ QQ , JJ , TT or if he's tight weak he can have AA or KK ..... so you got a dominated hand !
2/ on he flop ,when you hit your T, you have to move all-in first after the bet of your oponent ... he can't call with AK and if he calls : HE makes a mistake ..
Joined: Jan '08
Location: Croatia
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Yeah, preflop call was not something you should do when bigger stack is raising, not with offsuit, maybe if they were suited your cards would have little more prospect in this hand. Unless You really can read what is he holding, if he could have medium pocket pair or something, you are dominated through entire hand with A-10off and with the fact that he has bigger stack he would probably try to push you out of the pot on flop with overcards. Not to mention the fact that guy could probably be one of those that wont fold AKs or big pocket pair no matter what the flop is.
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Posted by Predobar: . Not to mention the fact that guy could probably be one of those that wont fold AKs or big pocket pair no matter what the flop is.
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marginal hand, i doubt i even would have called pre flop after a nice raise, id be thinking i was behind to AJ,AQ,AK, or a nice pkt pair maybe, its hard to let hands like that go but you have to learn to do it if you want to improve your game.
Joined: Oct '08
Location: United Kingdom
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What is your play like? TAG? LAG? And his?
It's a mistake so many people make betting off all their chips with a poor hand. You need to hit with A10o, and have a least some more outs than you did to re-raise the flop. You were re-raiseing against someone with twice your stack though who probably put you on a poor hand as you just called and didn't re-raise. To be honest I'd always call on the flop with AKs unless I smelled a rat I'm quite TAG (more like weakAG lol).
Re-raise preflop and let him go all in vs you at least then you'll know where you stand. I'm only calling him if I had fewer chips than you and the A10 was suited.
How did the hand play out? was it fast paced? slow? did you take up much time? Any reads on the guys betting patterns?
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In my opinion, when you had Seat 4: this0is0me (3605 in chips)
And you raised to 2155, the first mistake you made is when you did that....because if your going to bet half your chipstack (or more), you automatically go all-in...
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It really does depend on what type of player your playing against, I would hardley ever call a preflop raise with a10o although I would be the raiser if everyone limped or folded.
If the guy is calling your re-raise you know you gotta be in trouble and should serioulsy consider folding when that K came out although it can be very hard...
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Posted by weakfishy: hi,
in my point of view you made two mistakes :
1/ flat call a raise OOP preflop with ATo is a big mistake , indeed , can you tell me what you are looking for with this hand ?? you know your oponent got AK , AQ AJ QQ , JJ , TT or if he's tight weak he can have AA or KK ..... so you got a dominated hand !
2/ on he flop ,when you hit your T, you have to move all-in first after the bet of your oponent ... he can't call with AK and if he calls : HE makes a mistake ..
it's juste my point of view
No its sound advice you shouldnt be flat calling or pushing with a pre flop raiser and an over card on board.. if you want some friendly advice,,,,,,,,,,,,,, stick to a tight starting hand and you gotta be ready to fold this games all about patients.. peace
Joined: May '08
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ATo is not a good hand to call a raise with, even at the button. But if you decide to play the hand you can't make such a minraise on the flop when you hit TPTK. Your remaining chips will go in anyway, so simply raise all-in.
AT shouldn't be called (only if you have notes that it is loose player). You could think of open raise but not calling raise. Well you were lucky on flop and you shouldn't minraise it - just push. Calling station is not profitable in this case.
Joined: Dec '08
Location: Germany
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preflop a call with a10 is no good move u musst know that ur dominatet in here
the flop with tptk is very bad for u in this spott u musst bet ofcourse the king on turn is lucky for him but there u couldn`t do anything u invested to much in this hand before
the mistake is preflop and your minraise on flop is not as tough as your hand was in the flop
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I think you have to fold AT there.. the flop you played well imo. But some donks always call with AK because the overrated their hands they think in this way that any A or K is enough to beat you. Is a pretty sick turn so it is not your fault only a bad preflop call
