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Off-topic: Maybe our next thing should be "Mob Whine" - you can use your MobPoints to buy "time to whine", we will have a staffer ready to listen to all your whine and bad beat stories and give the occasional "there there, it's all gonna work out in the end"-comment
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Sorry was too disappointed to tell my story yesterday.
So i was ready to go up in limits cos my BR says i have to... So i started two $50 sit n gos multi.
1) Second hand i got AA on the button, early position no action, middle 2 limpers so i raise it up big, 1 limper folds the other raises me big, so i go allin, he calls. So he shows 77 Offcourse a 7 on board no ace so 2nd hand out of the donkfest
2) Fifth hand i got JJ in middle position, i limp in (i dont raise with JJ in early stage). After me also a limper, and BB raise it up to 3BB. I call, the other limper folds. Flop 5 2 J rainbow, i check he bets 200 i raise 200 he calls, turn 8, i raise 500 he calls, river 4, I go allin he calls... He shows A3 showing his straigth omg
Worse thing was in 1st and 2nd game it was the same player. After the bad beat in both 2 games he calls me names for what donk i was and i must go back to the play money tables I had no words was too astonished I looked at my screen for i think 15min he went out at both tables.
I know i didnt make any mistake, i played it right, i have no problems with the first 1 cos these things happen, the 2nd one is still in my mind. Also the person is still in my mind, he makes me angry big time. It happens sometimes you get donked out but if the donk calls you names
Its not about the money cos my BR can handle the swings, btw after this game i went back to play $20 stakes and won the money back but...
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Hand 1 is a cooler hand 2 you are being punished for not raising pre(are you only playing JJ for set value in mid early?) and for gay raising the flop...plz don't do that I would insta fold flop vs your gayraise and put you on set 5/2 no obv draws on board so you scream set imo, you give away so much info but don't let opponent pay for the info.....even with the gay raise it was a nasty suckout. Back on the horse
Edit:there is mess in HH, BB raiser must act before you on flop and who is he?
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it makes you wonder about some people, that second hand, wow, what a doosh bag, it wasnt even open ended, low chance to hit and double his money, thie first hand, you see that alot with people as they get exited by the pkt pair, but 7s you would want to hit or your in trouble, which he did do no problem there.
Edited by intentcity4 (11 December 2008 @ 11:23 GMT)
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Gay Raise lol
I've had so many people put me on tilt with BS chat that I just mute them as soon as they start, this way you can berate them and never know what they are saying
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Posted by M3turbo: Hand 1 is a cooler hand 2 you are being punished for not raising pre(are you only playing JJ for set value in mid early?) and for gay raising the flop...plz don't do that I would insta fold flop vs your gayraise and put you on set 5/2 no obv draws on board so you scream set imo, you give away so much info but don't let opponent pay for the info.....even with the gay raise it was a nasty suckout. Back on the horse
Edit:there is mess in HH, BB raiser must act before you on flop and who is he?
Ok Turbo can you tell me how you shud play hand2? I cud just call his raises yes, is that what you mean? I disagree what you tell about reraising preflop with JJ early stage middle position. You do that in cashgame not in early stage sng.
Btw your right BB did act before told other way....
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I didn't say reraise.....you wrote that ýou limped I think you should raise. To reraise you need someone to raise before you which no one has according to your HH. On flop call or raise properly don't gay raise(click raise=min raise).
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@ Turbo:
In my opinion your agressive play of cash games doesnt work on sng, especcially doubles. I invite you to PKR to play some sng's there maybe some doubles
I know for sure you can make a possitiv roi but maybe not as high as you think with your agressive style.
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Posted by doomdy: Sorry was too disappointed to tell my story yesterday.
So i was ready to go up in limits cos my BR says i have to... So i started two $50 sit n gos multi.
1) Second hand i got AA on the button, early position no action, middle 2 limpers so i raise it up big, 1 limper folds the other raises me big, so i go allin, he calls. So he shows 77 Offcourse a 7 on board no ace so 2nd hand out of the donkfest
2) Fifth hand i got JJ in middle position, i limp in (i dont raise with JJ in early stage). After me also a limper, and BB raise it up to 3BB. I call, the other limper folds. Flop 5 2 J rainbow, i check he bets 200 i raise 200 he calls, turn 8, i raise 500 he calls, river 4, I go allin he calls... He shows A3 showing his straigth omg
Worse thing was in 1st and 2nd game it was the same player. After the bad beat in both 2 games he calls me names for what donk i was and i must go back to the play money tables I had no words was too astonished I looked at my screen for i think 15min he went out at both tables.
I know i didnt make any mistake, i played it right, i have no problems with the first 1 cos these things happen, the 2nd one is still in my mind. Also the person is still in my mind, he makes me angry big time. It happens sometimes you get donked out but if the donk calls you names
Its not about the money cos my BR can handle the swings, btw after this game i went back to play $20 stakes and won the money back but...
The player is in my head
What can i do?
OOOOOPPPPSSSSSSS you got to love the people who are not ashamed to try and tell others how to play. Sure you got his screen name you can hunt him down and get your chips back... I would have said thanx v much please be my buddy.....then rob him silly...ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha peace
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Posted by doomdy: @ Turbo:
In my opinion your agressive play of cash games doesnt work on sng, especcially doubles. I invite you to PKR to play some sng's there maybe some doubles
I know for sure you can make a possitiv roi but maybe not as high as you think with your agressive style.
So i hope to see you there
You are talking away from subject and my asnwer to you, I was not telling you to reraise that was you who said that. I said raise instead of limp so you got the initiative in the pot what are you going to do with your JJ when you limp/call it and Q, K or A shows on flop and your opponent cbets?Call in the dark or just fold?Both seems rather weak only because of 1 overcard? I rather be the 1 cbetting and let opponent make the hard choice. Other than that you make it hard for your self folding on rag flop because you never got any info from opponent he could sit right next to you with AA and you will never know cause you didn't let him 3bet you pre. But you could start by getting your HH under control and maybe telling if it's 6 or 10 handed, turbo, normal or double up? I will never play at PKR because of bad service, childish software and lack of EU-license class 3 which makes it tax related for me. Other than that I played S&G's long before I started at BRM and had a decent ROI up to 20$ S&G's then someday I tried cashgames and found them way more interesting and switched immediately to cash so I'll say thanks for the invitation but no thanks I primarily play S&G's when im drunk
I really think you should read my post's again cause you surely didn't read or understand them. If you limp call you spend the same as I would have by raising but the difference is that I would have initiative in pot and you don't.
Tony G: "If you don't have last bet or raise in the pot you got negative exspectaions for the hand" which is one of the few wise things I've heard from that man.
Im not sure if it's a challenge match or whatit is you are aiming for either way it's stupid of you to avoid a discussion on the hand that should be your main goal by posting it. That is how you and I get better by discussing lines in played hands.
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Hand one is a real bad beat. Hand two is donkplay from both players. Limping JJ is questionable, raising to 3BB after two limpers is a joke too (Reraise?). And if you make a check/raise at the flop (which is a good idea) then RAISE. JJJ is the best hand here, but it can't be at the river, so try to get the chips in while you are ahead.