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Daniel Cates Admits to Cheating in Online Private High-Stakes Poker Game

Tags: Bill Perkins, Dan Bilzerian, Daniel Cates, poker cheating, poker fraud
Posted on 28 May 2020 by "T".
In case you haven't read it yet, check out this article on Dan Bilzerian accusing Daniel "Jungleman" Cates of ‘ghosting' in a private online high-stakes poker game hosted by Bill Perkins. On Wednesday, May 27, the main subject of the scandal, poker pro Daniel "Jungleman" Cates finally confessed, and shared his statement of apology on Twitter. My defense for @DanBilzerian 's accusatio[...]   Read more » Daniel Cates Admits to Cheating in Online Private High-Stakes Poker Game

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  9-Jun-20, 21:08   #21
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antonis321 

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Some programms are allowed now , some others no , some will be allowed once more in the future , some are allowed partially , some only for ofline use , some programm's editions are allowed , some others (past or future) are not , what poker rooms consider a allowed programme to use or a cheating programme , is at their discretion to decide everytime , their criteria are questionable .

It's a comp;lete chaos regarding what is right and what is wrong to use or do online . Live , on casionos , things are way far more clear , what is allowed and what is not . By the way , just for fun Big Smile , aren't you allowed in casinos to wear costumes , cover all your body and face , in a worse way than what Hlelmuth does for fun ??? So , you might see sb coming on your table , and you might not recognise him , an unknown player , lol , wish all players were unknown in online poker . Also live , you might see the face and recognise him , remember some of his tedencies or style of game , but you cannot use programms or HUDs , you CANNOT have an X-RAY of all his games , decisions , strategies , weaknesses .....lol

     
  10-Jun-20, 14:05   #22
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dule-vu 

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but one thing is to use some program for playing poker and other things is when you play from some other player account,where you cant know who is behind it and from against what player you play it!yes,its cheating,but not same as when you use some program!

     
  10-Jun-20, 15:46   #23
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CALICUL 
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I haven't used a legal or illegal program in my life since i played poker. Always i wanted to be an honest and fair player. It is not necessary to do this thing, if the poker rooms are neutral and we are gentlemen in our way of thinking. Daniel Cates must pay what he cheated and to be penalized financially.

     
  12-Jun-20, 16:35   #24
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antonis321 

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Now this was a private game if I am not mistaken , things are even worse here . They have less security standards imo , and this invitational players only , they try to lure whales and STEAL their money , now if one other UNINVITED pro comes to this STEALING THUG PARTY , well , then he's accused of ghosting Smile He is accused of ghosting by other cheaters players ,who have also CHEATED in the past .This Perkins guy HAS DONE it in the past , with his buddy , that's why he was banned on ACR in the past , for ghosting live on 2017 on twitch , now he pretends he is the virgin mary of poker ??? Do you think we are stupid ?? And this is the biggest scandal , bigeer than Postle-gate ? WTF man ??

     
  12-Jun-20, 22:23   #25
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CALICUL 
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Daniel Cates has serious problems now because he was involved in a few things and I don't know what the outcome will be. Most likely he will be punished for this cheating but let's look at other things what will happen. I wouldn't want to be in ''his shoes'' now.

     
  13-Jun-20, 06:51   #26
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roeish3 
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Cates was ghosting and it's wrong. It's probably not cheating in the harsh sense of using unfair advantages like seeing other players cards or something like this but it was wrong nevertheless.
He apologized, sort of, because he accused other players at the table of being pro players, and I believe that is that.
Don't think anyone will do anything more about it.

     
  13-Jun-20, 20:08   #27
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antonis321 

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When sb does sth wrong , I don't think he can blame others for the same offense , based on ehical/ethic reasons and unaccepted behavior , it doesn't make any sense . He can say he was the victim of such a behavior , demandask some compensation , but nothing more . He can't play the moral and innocent prson , he canoot accuse the other one a lot , he has done it also in the past . He cannot call for a moral crusade against the other one .He is in the same sh***hole ....

     
  13-Jun-20, 21:43   #28
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CALICUL 
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A law, which will be with exclusion for life from live or online poker of all cheating players, will stop this "phenomenon". I agree with that but only a world commission can decide that. It is a necessary thing for the safety of all gamblers.

     
  16-Jun-20, 13:11   #29
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antonis321 

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Exclussion or ban for life is an extremelly hard punishment for a player (or generally Smile) , you have take all facts into consideration , the prehistory betting behavior , his history as a player and specifically towards other players , where he stands in the poker community , if he got a very big advantage bybdoing what he did , if he hurt a lot other players , etc . This for online and live casions or poker rooms .

I think ban for life should be the last thing to do . I see online poker rooms doing it so easily , without hesitation , asif this shows their determination to deal with scam behavior and cheatrers . Most of the times the extremelly punishing behavior by someone hides the oppossite , his will to pretenf he is a moral and lawful example , when he just punishes the weak , allowing the strong bigger fish and fellow friends or known to him to keep their stealing/destroying the bottom fish party , ongoing .......

In live poker/casions , I think racism or extreme bullyiong behavior willget you banned for life , in online poker rooms , this behavior won't even ban you for 1 week , lol ... Blink

     
  16-Jun-20, 16:00   #30
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CALICUL 
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Such a law is necessary because fairness would be framed at a super good level. I believe that the number of cheats will decrease very much or totally at the level of professional players. Something good will make this poker be played in ideal conditions.

     
  24-Jun-20, 21:47   #31
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maragatero 
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Too much pure for a card´s game. Ghosting may be an ilegal move in some rules (that I don´t know), but we was seeing the chineese online poker´s room where each player had a lot of avatars in the same game. The rules are good for us and makes improbes to the game, but this act it isn´t a moral question

     
  25-Jun-20, 05:51   #32
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roeish3 
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How do you know someone steal or cheat?
It's impossible to know whether you are paying with a human or with a bot.
I sometimes think it wasn't fair the way I lost money but never complained because foul play is something I can't prove and not even sure that it wasn't just bad luck.

     
  25-Jun-20, 07:07   #33
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elias_vdr 
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The truth leaves much to be desired,for example a player paid 500 thousand dollar for a bot in pokerstars

     
  25-Jun-20, 13:11   #34
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CALICUL 
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It's incredible to hear this ugly thing. I knew there were bots and when i said that here in BRM i received votes with minus, which is not correct. I know you can make some money but bots are a real danger that destroys dreams. Daniel Cates must to pay now.

     
  26-Jun-20, 00:07   #35
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maragatero 
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I{m really frustrated by my poor english and understanding. Why you are talking about bots? The "crime" that he did is ghosting, yes? And ghosting is the situation when you are playing with another avatar/name, to disappear of the professional records, wright?

     
  26-Jun-20, 13:39   #36
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antonis321 

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Of course if one player has hud info on others and hides his identity from the others , he has a big advantage , now that i thonk of this . But , on the other hand , players to exclide some others , because they don't want to play with them , I don't like it , Get better or stop playing . Also huds to be banned , that would be also very nice in my eyes Smile Anyway , ghosting is sth many or most have done it , one way or another , to help a friend or themselves , intentionally or not , to protect themselves from sharks or to hurt others , without knowing it's forbidden or knowing it's not allowed but doing it nevertheless ....

     
  26-Jun-20, 14:57   #37
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dule-vu 

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Posted by maragatero:
I{m really frustrated by my poor english and understanding. Why you are talking about bots? The "crime" that he did is ghosting, yes? And ghosting is the situation when you are playing with another avatar/name, to disappear of the professional records, wright?


yes maragatero,I am 100 % with you in this!dont understand why somebody talk about bots,when this whole thread is about player who play from some others account and not with some program or something like this!so its not that somebody cheat people with something that isnt allowed,he play from other player account!

     
  28-Jun-20, 01:41   #38
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maragatero 
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Yes, I insist that this news is entering in the "influencer´s world" and is trying to make some discussion of air. We are nearly of the soap operas, whe we will start tto talk about the way that Negrenau, when find to Daniel Cates in the lobby of a tournament, greet him with some contempt....and his jeans were very ugly!

     
  28-Jun-20, 08:56   #39
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CALICUL 
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I didn't play with another account to cheat and yes I'm talking about bots that destroy our chances of making money. This is true and has been demonstrated many times... & here including latest news from BRM. It's a horrible thing.

     
  28-Jun-20, 17:46   #40
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dule-vu 

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every is clear here and I think that there is no law in world that somebody can stop some player to play from some others account!its not like that he use some program or that he cheat with money!ofcourse its not ok,especially if you play for bigger amount,but on other had you also dont know any other player,when all of us use nicknames on table!

     
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