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  14-Dec-08, 10:44   #1
How do the pro handle "bad days"? 0 
casualnat 

Joined: Feb '08
Location: Sweden
Age: 46 (M)
Posts: 13
Hi fellow Mobbers. I dunno if this is the right forum but i cant find a better one. Maybe you should have a forum called "Poker therapy" or something. Blink Ill tell my story as good as i can and then get to my question. Ive been playing poker now for about 3 years. And i frankly am getting good at it. But i still struggle with some very disturbing facts and i think im a bit unsecure on this point. When the "bad days" come and NOTHING i do can make it a winning day. I have a hard time coming to grip with the fact that i am good at poker but still have the bad days and nothing i do can make it better. I mean how do the pros handle these days? I have played in some bounty tournaments were the targets (pros) have bad days and loose quick in the tournaments. But isnt the pro a pro because he or she can handle these periods better? That is MY goal. But when a bad day comes i cant do anything right. Take the good example struggeling in a MTT with 2000 stack and the blinds growing. Then i get AA and loose to a flushdraw. Did i do something wrong here? I mean i played by the book. Thats why i love micro rebuys... Blink No seriously...

SO... my question is: What can one do to minimize the harm in the bad days? Is it good bankroll management 100%?

AND HEY! MERRY XMAS FELLOW SHARKIES! Heart

     
  14-Dec-08, 10:54   #2
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hawkgman 
Joined: Nov '08
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 31 (M)
Posts: 73
bad days are a bugger, not sure how the pros handle it , but most people find this helps Aww crap! if it doesnt knock you out, then do it a few more times, youll wake up in a week or so and won't care about the bad beats you suffered! Agree

Im just about to do that to myself as i just lost a very big pot in a tournament with K Club K Spade to K Heart 3 Heart


I bet 4 times bb preflop.
he is in bb and calls.

flop Q Heart 10 Heart 7 Club

i bet pot. (roughly 1 quarter his stack)
turn is 5 Spade
i bet allin.
after a few seconds he calls.
river 2 Heart



me ANGRY> Worse is i was chip leader, then i get dealt A Spade Q Spade

in my bb, very loose player, who calls any allin preflop calls in first postion.

i move allin , and low and behold he calls, with A Club 2 Heart

flops the two and my hand never inproves, i was out about 10 hands later with 9 Heart 8 Heart

when the flop was J Heart 10 Heart 4 Diamond was put allin, and i called, he had 77 and neither of us hit. Sad i had so many outs, but never seem to hit when i havet this kind of draw, does anyone else? Question Question Aww crap! Aww crap! Aww crap! Aww crap!

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Also i find if i cant knock my self out then switch poker site for a day or two, good to have several accounts! Big Smile

     
  14-Dec-08, 10:56   #3
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shokaku 

Joined: May '08
Location: Germany
Age: 55 (M)
Posts: 6692
Bad days happen to all of us. But make sure that a bad run of cards/situations don't influence your game. If you notice that you start to play foolishly because of the beats, stop for the day.

     
  14-Dec-08, 11:16   #4
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jevo 

Joined: Oct '08
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 39 (M)
Posts: 1086
If you're TAG go LAG. If you're LAG go TAG. Obviously you'll need the bankroll to support such a change in play but, it's fun Smile

Either that, or look up some other strategy and try something new... you never know you may find your niche...


     
  14-Dec-08, 11:44   #5
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Jaydz 
Joined: Dec '08
Location: Australia
Age: 29 (M)
Posts: 42
Recognize when you're not playing your A game and that's when you should take a break. There is a lot of interesting material I believe on the psychology of Poker and how to deal with bad days.

Smile

     
  14-Dec-08, 12:09   #6
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T3ddyKGB 

Joined: Oct '08
Location: Germany
Age: 45 (M)
Posts: 2023
[quote]: If you're TAG go LAG. If you're LAG go TAG

im no pro but this is the way i play in tournys if i have bad days. sometimes i dont get cards nor do i hit anything on the board for rounds, then i start playin LAG. or i preflop bluff with raises and prey Big Smile
i avoid cashgames anyways.

     
  14-Dec-08, 12:15   #7
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doomdy 

Joined: May '08
Location: Netherlands
Age: 49 (M)
Posts: 6197
I am no pro but i never change style cos of a bad day.
I know bad days / bad streaks happen and its all about not goin on tilt so not loosing more.
Just play ur abc poker the streak will turn.

     
  14-Dec-08, 14:27   #8
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Dellbo99 
Joined: Feb '08
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 50 (M)
Posts: 342
Posted by doomdy:
I am no pro but i never change style cos of a bad day.
I know bad days / bad streaks happen and its all about not goin on tilt so not loosing more.
Just play ur abc poker the streak will turn.


Very easy to say very difficult to do

I'm no pro either but I believe that bad days aren't a big deal for the pros - its the bad weeks, months and even years that they have real problems with.

Me I have bad days and I find them a problem, I try to keep a level headed and play my normal game, but after 5 suck outs in a row costing me maybe 4 buyins , I will start to do things I know isn't good solid poker.

Only solution for me is to stop playing for the day.

     
  14-Dec-08, 14:43   #9
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jevo 

Joined: Oct '08
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 39 (M)
Posts: 1086
I'm no pro (x3) but I wont give in for the day because I'm not hitting.

If you have the capacity to change your game then do so, if not, wimp out till another day... Smile

jokes

     
  14-Dec-08, 16:07   #10
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Calmplay 

Joined: Apr '08
Location: Mauritius
Age: 55 (M)
Posts: 4111
These pros make a living while playing poker so they have excellent ability in handling those type of days. It's very different from us who are mostly playing just for fun & win extra cash so for sure it's a little bit for us to handle them. But we are all learning from them so little by little it will come.

     
  15-Dec-08, 02:09   #11
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intentcity4 

Joined: Aug '08
Location: Australia
Age: 46 (M)
Posts: 1418
the main thing to remember when your going through a rough patch is to minimize your loses, you shouldnt change your style of play if its a good style, many players lose the whole bankrolls when one of these days hit as they try to buy their way out of it, thats where the word TILT comes from, either have a break or go down a couple of limits, remember there are many forms of luck when it comes to poker, (cards,flops,action when you have the nuts,and so on) these can work for you or against you. Cool

     
  15-Dec-08, 11:18   #12
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Deni74xi 
Joined: Dec '08
Location: Indonesia
Age: 45 (M)
Posts: 27
Bad Day or bad luck, seem like same for me.
We are never when this situation will coming. I'm not a pro, but when playing i'm never bring my emotion to table. (sometimes i'm go foolish too Aww crap! ).
We are sometimes play offline just with my friend, i tell little story here.
play 5 people
My pocket is 8 Spade 9 Spade
My friend bet, i'm call
flop is 10 Spade J Spade Q Spade
I'm raise, 3 folded and 1 call
turn 4 Heart
I'm bet pot, 1 call
hmmm .... seem he not got very good card may be AKo/s so what make me scary ? nothing !!! If he got AK Spade, he never just call.
then in the river comes K Spade
Now i'm scary, so many card, why this card is coming ?
He check, and i'm all in, he call with little smile (this smile i can never forget till now Disagree )
And shows A Spade and K Heart Aww crap! then i'm stop play for a month. Disagree

     
  15-Dec-08, 12:43   #13
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GamblinDemon 
Joined: Jun '08
Location: Italy
Age: 37 (M)
Posts: 411
Bad days may happen, but they are not so frequent as you may thing guys... if you play according to your bankroll and for a sufficient long ammount of time you can turn almost evey day into a good or at least a decent one. The real problem is that when we start losing we tilt and switch to a losing style of playing and that makes us fading away....

     
  15-Dec-08, 14:33   #14
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shokaku 

Joined: May '08
Location: Germany
Age: 55 (M)
Posts: 6692
Posted by GamblinDemon:
Bad days may happen, but they are not so frequent as you may thing guys... if you play according to your bankroll and for a sufficient long ammount of time you can turn almost evey day into a good or at least a decent one. The real problem is that when we start losing we tilt and switch to a losing style of playing and that makes us fading away....


Hmm. Antonius has lost nearly a million in one day last month, Ziigmund more than 1,5 million this month. Do these players tilt to the extrem?

     
  15-Dec-08, 15:41   #15
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doomdy 

Joined: May '08
Location: Netherlands
Age: 49 (M)
Posts: 6197
Posted by shokaku:
Posted by GamblinDemon:
Bad days may happen, but they are not so frequent as you may thing guys... if you play according to your bankroll and for a sufficient long ammount of time you can turn almost evey day into a good or at least a decent one. The real problem is that when we start losing we tilt and switch to a losing style of playing and that makes us fading away....


Hmm. Antonius has lost nearly a million in one day last month, Ziigmund more than 1,5 million this month. Do these players tilt to the extrem?

Antonius has a BR more as 10 million they say and ziigy ziigmund euhmm... he is just crazy Blink

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Nah ziigy is extremely agressiv thats scares people the most.

     
  15-Dec-08, 19:15   #16
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padod 

Joined: Mar '08
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 32 (M)
Posts: 215
how to handle bad days?

3 buy in stop loss

lose 3 buy ins ur poker day is done

     
  16-Dec-08, 08:24   #17
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scl1975 

Joined: Mar '08
Location: Australia
Age: 44 (M)
Posts: 1158
playing like the pros and not tilting on bad days is the hardest part of poker.i use the three bad beat rule as above.get 3 winning hads and lose stop [playing for the day,hard when your a pro cauz thats your bread and butter but taking a break from thee cards is a must.you can play tooo much poker.

     
  16-Dec-08, 10:26   #18
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intentcity4 

Joined: Aug '08
Location: Australia
Age: 46 (M)
Posts: 1418
lol, i used to use the 3 strike rule for picking up chicks at the local pub, its a good rule as your confidece cant get completly shattered, i did pick up some nice chicks as well. Tongue

     
  16-Dec-08, 13:33   #19
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Benyeah75 
Joined: Jan '08
Location: Denmark
Age: 45 (M)
Posts: 1
Hi

I know some pros stop playin for the rest of the day when they lost 2 or 3 times buy in. But its cashgame and nor turneys.

Happy hollydays. Smile

     
  16-Dec-08, 13:39   #20
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weakminded 

Joined: Sep '08
Location: Belgium
Age: 33 (M)
Posts: 442
Just had a bad day yesterday to. lost half of my bankroll (no not bad BRM because it was a very small bankroll Blink ) my AA got cracked with all in preflop, my flush got cracked even a full house got cracked Shock I mean it was a VERY bad day.
still I feel it's a part of the game, some days just suck and some days rule Smile what a boring game it would be if every day would be the same Smile

good luck to all

     
  16-Dec-08, 15:04   #21
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doomdy 

Joined: May '08
Location: Netherlands
Age: 49 (M)
Posts: 6197
My bad days arent really bad days anymore.
A bad day for me is max 50 dollars loosing but in early days when badbeated i want to win it back so i cud loose more.

So now i have not so many bad days, more days break even and more days upswing.

Smile

     
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