Joined: Apr '08
Age: 40 (F)
I think preflop bet should be bigger. It's always better to collect blinds than lose your whole stack. AA wins little or can cost very much. Slowplaying is not for me so I would have bet preflop and if somebody call I go allin on the flop.
Joined: Feb '08
Age: 46 (M)
I agree with everyone I made the bet on the flop too small. My main question was what would you do on the turn where he minraised.. You all keep going on about how I played the hand pre flop and on the flop. .. Believe me, I read all the books that Gene suggested ages ago and then some more. The reason you DONT want to go allin on the flop is because someone could have a set.... 8 out of 9 times you win, 1 in 9 you lose, but you lose more then 10x what was in the pot. Bad odds.
I have posted another thread about the pre flop bet, please in this thread answer only what you would do on the turn .. still call ? Now what if he does all in on the river ?
Of course the story is he called with a gut shot on the flop and made his straight on the turn.. but what I want to know is would YOU have folded on the TURN ?
Joined: Mar '08
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 43 (M)
OK you want advise on the min-raise bit, to get to that part of the hand you have to go over what happend before(i wont), all he has done is said I think i have you beat or I think ill get you to fold, now you are answering the quesions insteed of asking, you should fold cus you are unsure you can back up a bet on the river save that min-raise and try again. Your hand is not going to get any stronger, so if you are to do it do it now, as the river showing 6 7 8 9 10 j q k A are bad for you, sets and str8s. So next time dont let yourself get in to this sort of situation and take it whilst you have it (bigger raise on flop) Im crap at explaining but hope it helps.
I don't mind your play up to the flop, when u raise so small with high pocket pairs like that you have to be prepared to lay it down, truthfully I prefer raising more pre-flop because really with a high pocket pair you want to be in the hand with only one other person to prevent a suited connector or 10-J, K-Q off suit kind of hand to hit. I know you are saying that you want more action with the aces, but its better to only take the blinds, or doubling up from one person then getting stacked by some guy with 5-6 suited.
If I was in that hand and I did the exact same bets, I would probably call on the river after the re-raise. I would just call and never ever re-raise, and plan on checking on the river if he checks to me. If he bets, no one can really tell you what to do, but it would have to be based on your read of him. Also what was the river card? You have to ask yourself, is he the kind ofplayer that will go all-in with the nuts or bet around 50-75% of the pot to try and get some callers. I probably would have folded on the river with any bet unless the bet was really small or really raised my suspisions and I could put him on a bluff. The river card will give us a better idea of whether he was bluffing or not.
Joined: Feb '08
Age: 46 (M)
Shokaku : that was exactly what I was thinking (but I didnt follow it), but I wanted to know if it was so 'crystal clear' and 'normal play' to fold there on the turn.
I learned my lesson and next time I will fold on the turn.
I'm convinced it would not have mattered how much I raise pre flop, the KQ suited was going to call me. The flop bet could have been bigger, but I will still stick to betting half pot in this situation as I think it buys me the same information as full pot...
thank you ALL for putting in your 2 cents, I really liked the discussion here.
Joined: Jan '09
Age: 74 (M)
Yes , I thin you made too small raise on preflop and Then also you should have raised more on the flop and It is kinda obvious that he has you beat on turn maybe str8 or something so you just have to let it go on turn
Joined: Jan '09
Age: 42 (M)
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Please elaborate. Im thinking of going to that network because of the rakeback in would like to have more info.