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PokerStars Game #23687009169: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2009/01/08
12:24:57 CET [2009/01/08 6:24:57 ET]
Table 'Interamnia' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: Kim-Hall ($10.35 in chips)
Seat 3: Windir666 ($4.90 in chips)
Seat 4: DonHusky ($4.75 in chips)
DonHusky: posts small blind $0.10
Kim-Hall: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Kim-Hall 7 of clubs Queen of clubs
Windir666: calls $0.25
DonHusky: folds
Kim-Hall: checks
*** FLOP *** Queen of diamonds 8 of hearts 5 of clubs
Kim-Hall: checks
Windir666: bets $0.75
Kim-Hall: calls $0.75
*** TURN *** Queen of diamonds 8 of hearts 5 of clubs 6 of clubs
Kim-Hall: checks
Windir666: bets $1.75

What would you do here.. ?
Dont now if i played it right.. Think its hard!

Edited by Mucking (08 January 2009 @ 11:43 GMT)


     
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Many outs true, if you dont hit 1 ur problably beat. Best for you is to hit a 9 or a 4 in my opinion.

I am not an expert in cash table but yes i wud call Smile

     
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Posted by Mucking:

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Kim-Hall 7 of clubs Queen of clubs


I would not play suited Q7.
But I try to play Tight Agressive.
I you play it you must be (loose) agressive and raise!

Your Q pair can loose to a better kicker, others can have better connectors, and if there is an Ace there you bet it is the same suite as your queen, and you lose your flush to a higher card.

     
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Look again.. i got for free.. I was in BB! Blink

     
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Is this 3-handed?

And what are those stacks? NL25 and $5, $5 and $10 stacks???

Your opponent had put in half his stack with one street to come. You can be quite sure that he will go all in on the river. Are you prepared to call that, even if you should not improve, or even worse a K oder A hits the board?

     
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Yes.. It was 3 handed.

When i came to the table. they were only 2 with 5 each. Thats why i only sat down with 10$ and not 25$
You can see that by adding all our stacks. = 20$ Blink

Back to the game:

Yep thats why i posted it here.. To get your opinions! And what you would have done in this situation.. Smile

     
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I think you should have raised on flop to start.
But in the given situation, not doing the math but you have plenty of outs, shame if you miss the river. Call, might have to fold the river.

     
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Posted by B1gfoot:
Call, might have to fold the river.


I guess that would be the worst line.

We have to figure out if we are allready ahead to make our play here. Opponent had put in half his stack, so he will not fold any hand that will beat us. Raising seems pointless.

He has not raised preflop, even with his position at the button. Does he really have a hand that beats us? I guess the best line is to call him down and let him (hopefully) bluff at the river again.

If we think, that he will not bet two or three streets with a worse hand than Q7, we have to fold here.

     
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Yer, true, was thinking more if the player has a hand as i cant juge range or style.
And im tired lol, so didnt analise it to much, seams like a fairly simple call.
raising pointless, yep
does he have a hand, aint got a clue, i guess not raising can rule out a few hands, but who knows.
we can be quite sure if our river card come we are home dry, but outherwise back to step 2 :}, does he have a hand.

     
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Sometimes i really hate it when nobody raises ur BB and you got hand like this.
If somebody raises preflop its a fold but now you got a hand.
Mostly hands like this are big trouble makers.

It sounds strange that you want that they raise your BB but i think many people know what i mean??

     
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Posted by Mucking:
Look again.. i got for free.. I was in BB! Blink


Sorry Blink

Did not look to good, though there were 5 players and you limp in.

I would bet the flop min 50%. Since you checked you don't know if it's only a contunation bet or if he has something.

But as the situation is on the turn I think I would call.


     
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wud not have played q7 first of all,but after flop u hit top pr, u r probably beat if they have q also ,turn is a great card for u,any 9x4..any4x4...and any clubx9....total 17 outs......i wud have pushed with so many outs...he will call as he is committed but hey thats poker!! Smile

     
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Posted by pokerpike68:
wud not have played q7 first of all,but after flop u hit top pr, u r probably beat if they have q also ,turn is a great card for u,any 9x4..any4x4...and any clubx9....total 17 outs......i wud have pushed with so many outs...he will call as he is committed but hey thats poker!! Smile


Plz read HH again.


I would lead flop, but as played I think you are best of by calling him down, if you call turn you can't fold missed river imo.
We need more info on opponent to know what's best, against a spewing donk I put him AI on turn.

     
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Lol. Called 100%, top pair, str8 draw, flush draw. What the f*** are ya'll talking about!

Nuts on flop??? QQ are the nuts Aww crap!

     
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In the world series of poker final table I can fold this hand but...for $1.75? hell no!

     
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Posted by shokaku:
Is this 3-handed?

And what are those stacks? NL25 and $5, $5 and $10 stacks???

Your opponent had put in half his stack with one street to come. You can be quite sure that he will go all in on the river. Are you prepared to call that, even if you should not improve, or even worse a K oder A hits the board?


Stack sizes arnt that important in cash games...because of the reload factor.


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Posted by B1gfoot:
I think you should have raised on flop to start.
But in the given situation, not doing the math but you have plenty of outs, shame if you miss the river. Call, might have to fold the river.


I agree, check calling is to passive...
You have top pair and 3 handed thats a pritty good hand.

     
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Posted by jonny1818:
Stack sizes arnt that important in cash games...because of the reload factor.


And such concepts as implied odds do not exist in cash games? What makes the play here so difficult, are the shallow stacks. There is to little room to play properly.

     
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There is no doubt about it imho, push it all in. You can't fold here, even if he has an Q5, Q6 you still have odds to call him. And even if, worst case scenario, he has 79 you still have decent odds, to make that call. The passive play gives him opportunity to play a lower pair or a lower draw. On a 3 handed table you can't really fold that on the river regardless of what comes up while getting what 4:1 on you money with what was a top pair when he commited to the pot. So I don't see the upside in just calling him there. He will go all in with on the river with any hand better than yours and I think you will have to call that bet. But he will call you on the turn with a draw which you can beat. Easy push imo.

     
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well you could of called, or all in the person, but its possible he had straight or better queen, bit iffy who knows

     
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I would have made the call! If you hit you'll get the rest of his stack. If u miss you have toppair and likely to win too! Raising is not an option, because he is gonna call you for sure!

     
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