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Yesterday at my homegame I played the following hand that kicked me out of tournament (starting stack 3000, blinds 10 min): Preflop: Player 1 raises in early position to 2xBB 300 Player 2 folds, Player 3 folds Player 4 calls from the SB Me on the BB with Q9 offsuit (small stack with 2300): call
Flop: 689 (flushdraw possible) Player 1 checks. Player 4, who appeared to steal and play aggressively bets 500. I decide to push allin. After a long thought he decides to call with 78 offsuit and wins on the river with trip 8s.
Now I wonder if it was the right move to push allin respectively to call preflop. What do you think?
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When the blinds are big compared to the stacks those minraises become ugly. But don't just call. You have a hand that plays bad after nearly every flop, and you have the worst position. So either fold or raise it up to collect the blinds and limps.
If you decide to play that hand you have to stick it in when you flop top pair.
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yeah you gotta let those Q9 go even if there real cheep you had 2 others in the pot you must have known you was probably behind........ floppin top pair aint all that really, i would never advise playin Q9 its not even a great bluffing hand in late position....... sit tight hit big....lol
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It is not a bad play at all, you will be in good realtive position to the raiser and gets a good price and considering your current chipstack you need to do something soon. Once you have flopped your nine I rather lead straight out since the original raiser is likely to check behind with overcards since this flop must have hit your ranges pretty hard and it's not like you are folding to his bet either so try give yourself some FoldEQ if you can.
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Its so difficult to say without knowing more, numbers of people?, you allready itm or bubble? ectect. For sure its allways better to enter a hand with raise if you gonna play that cards, in this case on flop with top pair i guess its not a bad move what you did (in my opinion). But i think you shudnt be on the flop, i mean a fold preflop is in my opinion the best option. You cant reraise Q9o preflop in this case so.... fold it preflop wud be a better option
Edit: Blinds are 75/150 right? Definitly a fold preflop for me
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Yeah, you gotta fold q9 to a raise in the SB. Remember you're first to act and if you push you're very likely to get called with any pair or over cards as your push seems desperate... I'd wait for position before deciding to put all my chips in.
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well i wouldnt have entered the hand to begin with... remember u r short stacked so u r in the push or fold territory u either shove pre flop or fold dont rely on post flop play
but having said that once u did enter the pot top pair with 3rd best kicker u being short stacked n all pushing all in on the flop was the perfect move ul the other guy sucked out..
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Posted by eaziabi: well i wouldnt have entered the hand to begin with... remember u r short stacked so u r in the push or fold territory u either shove pre flop or fold dont rely on post flop play
but having said that once u did enter the pot top pair with 3rd best kicker u being short stacked n all pushing all in on the flop was the perfect move ul the other guy sucked out..
Euhmmmmm 2300 stack with 75/150 blinds is NOT the ''push/fold'' mode imo
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Posted by doomdy:
Posted by eaziabi: well i wouldnt have entered the hand to begin with... remember u r short stacked so u r in the push or fold territory u either shove pre flop or fold dont rely on post flop play
but having said that once u did enter the pot top pair with 3rd best kicker u being short stacked n all pushing all in on the flop was the perfect move ul the other guy sucked out..
Euhmmmmm 2300 stack with 75/150 blinds is NOT the ''push/fold'' mode imo
well he considered himself to be short stack he said short stack in the bracket i misread the figures but now that u point it out he was not even close to short he had more than 10 bbs wich personally i consider short stack
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There were too much outs for a straight and a flush. I think you shouldn't go all in at that points. There were too much hands that could beat you, too much outs.
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Q9 is an ugly hand, and with that flop, its even uglier you know... THeres a possible straight draw, you even said there was a possibe flush draw so... Bad call, bad All in..
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You HAD to fold with Q9...
A minraise is a fish raise JT 22 33 ... or the fish want to be sure to have limper with his monster KK AA ...
Q9 = fold preflop Who push with Q9 ? me not ... but everybody play like he want
It was for preflop
Now for the flop, witht this kind of flop you are generally loser with the top pair ... too much possibility for the other to touch a good hand so for me again -> fold
