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just got kicked out of 1000 $ tourney with AK against A6. i played it like this:

made 70 raise /10-20 blinds/
1 caller

flop 3 A 7 rainbow, he raises to 250, I KNOW HE GOT ACE and small cards, not 2 pairs because he would play it non agresive, so i raise allin presuming i got the best hand. turn 9, river 6.... WTF???

i went crazy at the guy. i know i play agresively, but i read people well i i know ill double up, and i loose like a moron. the river is killing me lately. do you think i played it too agresively? i know i did, but i was so sure i got him Sad

how would you ply it, it was just the begining of MTT.
Aww crap! Aww crap! Aww crap! Aww crap! Disagree

Edited by olin111 (10 March 2009 @ 14:27 GMT)


     
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The question is, would you called an all in after the river? cause this is the alternative: calling down your AK Thumbs Down. if yes you were right to play it your way, and what comes around is a classical 3- outer bad beat Aww crap!. next time you will win

     
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this only bad luck...
I knocked a kid out with AA in his hand today
my hand J5

flop 2 J 5 i raise,he call,
turn 5 im All in..show:my hand 555JJ for him:555AA Thumbs Down
i shat myself, but last card: J !!!!!!!!!!!!! Thumbs Up Thumbs Up Thumbs Up
is once in the life so only

than for you,bad luck! Aww crap!

     
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I've stopped going all-in in MTT's unless I'm 100% sure I've got the nuts. Used to go all-in and bust earlier with hands like AA and AK but now I wait till I'm 100% sure and my results are vastly improved (as is my bankroll). Remember that in MTT's the one and only important thing is to stay alive and playing! I've seen players who were stackleaders at 1st break go bust before the 2nd break.....over and over again.....and people who look dead certain to go bust play tight and make it to final table. Bad luck will happen so don't waste all your chips early on!

     
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I would played probably same as you...

Posted by kukamatyi:
this only bad luck...


     
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Without the stack sizes it is difficult to judge if you could have made a raise without going all in. But it was just bad luck. You put your chips in while ahead.

     
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Bad beats r part of poker. U no they r gonna happen because u get bad beats against other players as well. It balances out. Ppl complain about bad beats because it's not like u never hit them as well. He hit a 3 outer on u which not that bad of a beat. I've lost multiple 1000$ pots to sick bad beats at the casino. And lots and lots of 500$+ pots.

Sickest bad beat to date and is the worst u can get was when I had KK and other guy had A9os. This is 1/2$NL, I raise preflop LP1 which is 2 seats b4 Dealer button to 20$ after 4limpers. I get 2 callers from those limpers, A9os and AJsuited. Flop K99rainbow, most ppl slow play my hand but the whole point of poker is to make ppl guess a wrong hand and u guessing the right hand. So at this point A9 first to act checks (trying to slow play), AJ checks, I bet 45$ to make look like I had AK or KQsuited and want to pick up this pot b4 any1 hitting something on me. A9 raises to 150$, AJ folds and I reraise all in 600$ but he only had 280$ left. He called pot at this point is 63$preflop+430$x2-5$rake so 918$. I flip my hand to show him and he's like oh f**k I need running A's and the guy told him he folded AJ so he needed 2 running case A's. At this point I'm 1806:1 favorite to win this hand. Turn comes A, I'm still 42:1 favorite to win the hand. River an Ace.

Another 1 I had was AA vs KK. I have about 1700$ in front of me in 2$/5$NL and other guy had about 800$. I'm in MP2(which is 4 after BB) and he's SB. So 2 ppl called the BB and I raise it to 45$ 1 guy with KQs called another guy with AQs called and since the odds were good for the guy on the button he called with 9Js. Pot is about 200$ right now. The guy in SB with KK wants to take the pot down right here b4 he see's an A on the flop and giving him no choice but folding with that much ppl in the hand. So he raises it to 300$ the 2 limpers fold and I go over the top all in other 2 folded. The guy was so commited he had 3/8th(37.5%) of his stack already in so he had 2 call. Preflop pot was ~1700$. We find out 2ppl folded a K. So he had no outs exept for 1card str8 he couldn't hit a flush cuz our cards were the same suits (AcAs vs KcKs). Flop comes Q29 (decent flop for me), he needs runner runner 10 J. Turn comes a 10 and 3 ppl said they folded a J so only 1 J left in the deck I'm still a huge favorite. River J...

     
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Posted by shokaku:
Without the stack sizes it is difficult to judge if you could have made a raise without going all in. But it was just bad luck. You put your chips in while ahead.


samo stacks, start od MTT,2.5 K each,give or take 100 chips. i was a bit in lead, 60-70 chips.


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Posted by Fr3nChi:
Bad beats r part of poker //CUT// River J...


ok, your story helped. you must play a lot of poker to get these kind of stories... :/

     
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Hmmm you played it agressivly true Tongue
I wudnt put my entire tourney on the table with AK and only hit 1 ace Smile
Blinds are small, ur raise was standard...
What cud he have? A3, A7, 33, 77 ect.
So i think ur allin was not the best think to do Smile

     
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Yep, i was trying to think of a nice way to say the all in was stupid.
Think you got it coverd doomdy.
Risking you full stack of 2500 for a poxy 300ish is daft.
PPL dont play poker anymore its all or nothing, then blaim the outher person for calling such a stupid bet.
If you read ppl well then you would have known he would have called you down, if so then you dont need to play daft just get value, if you happen to lose then you will still have a stack to play with but you was never going to fold reguardless.

     
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So and so; sure you were unlucky to be kicked out with AK but maybe you could play different way less aggressive just not to waste all your chips, maybe Big Smile Big Smile

     
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i agree with people saying not to go allin with AK and one only ace at the flop, but i ask myself if we should all play fixed limit HE instead of NL?

now someone of you can uderstand the reason of my old (ironic) poll: downgrade AK to trash hand Big Smile

     
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i think you got unlucky, because you had a better hand, better luck nextime, everyone has his bad lucks and good lucks Blink

     
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Posted by B1gfoot:
Yep, i was trying to think of a nice way to say the all in was stupid.
Think you got it coverd doomdy.
Risking you full stack of 2500 for a poxy 300ish is daft.
PPL dont play poker anymore its all or nothing, then blaim the outher person for calling such a stupid bet.
If you read ppl well then you would have known he would have called you down, if so then you dont need to play daft just get value, if you happen to lose then you will still have a stack to play with but you was never going to fold reguardless.


i agree with you that its stupid to go allin, BUT I KNEW from his play he got A and small card, not 2 pairs. understand? i wanted him to call. not to take 300 from table.

     
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If you want him to call your setting yourself up for a bad beat, i used to try drag players in like that but think its a lot better to take down the pot whilst ahead.
If you make the right bet and he calls then fine(then you can say, well i played it right hes a donk) if you know he will call you all the way then try to remember he can hit with that crap kicker or the board might pair up (ok the K this time puts you ahead) and end up split. But try to keep some chips for a bad beat, they happen a lot in MTT you will not get to the final table without taking one or giving one.
Risking your whole stack so early for a small pot is a no no.
Better luck next time.

     
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Posted by kukamatyi:
this only bad luck...
I knocked a kid out with AA in his hand today
my hand J5

flop 2 J 5 i raise,he call,
turn 5 im All in..show:my hand 555JJ for him:555AA Thumbs Down
i shat myself, but last card: J !!!!!!!!!!!!! Thumbs Up Thumbs Up Thumbs Up
is once in the life so only

than for you,bad luck! Aww crap!

After turn he actually just had 2 pairs (55AAJ) and the only card to save him was an ace.

     
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Unfortunately such things just happen. Usually when I hit a set in MTTs somebody has the cards like 62o or 63s and he draws the straight knocking me out of the event. It happened to me a few times in a row lately. Next thing about high pocket pairs - if I have AA and my opponent QQ, we go all-in preflop - there's usually a third Queen on the board. A moment ago I had a situation with pocket KK against opponent's QQ and guess what? I didn't have any Diamond , one of his Queens was a Diamond and 4 other Diamond s showed up on the board. What would you say? Smile

S**t happens, live goes on, don't worry too much. Blink

     
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just unlucky, and thats poker for you, bad beats happen you just gotta accept them and move on to the next tournament.

     
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Posted by olin111:
i went crazy at the guy. i know i play agresively, but i read people well i i know ill double up, and i loose like a moron. the river is killing me lately. do you think i played it too agresively? i know i did, but i was so sure i got him Sad


welcome to my world Sad

     
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Bad luck! This kind of hands there is nothing to do! :/
I hate the river card too! I think that the river is the card for donkeys!

     
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