Joined: Jan '08
Location: France
Age: 49 (M)
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Hi here !
i'm furious about this tons of fishs who only played freeroll and destroy the party ! We can play poker ... even if you have AA KK or somothing like that, you need to slow because of that kinf of player ... I lost last day on finale table with AK versus 75 .... raise pre flop 5 BB call ..... let' guess the end ....
I know what you're feeling, lost the other day on a private freeroll my KK against 63s. He re-raised me preflop so I pushed, he called and off course he rivers a flush (so cliché . Well I got kicked out only earning 3€ while he went on to the final table (I saw later) winning 63€ I was so jealous cause I knew he couldn't play for S**T and still he finished 4th. Oh well, I hope to see him on the cash tables soon with his money .
Joined: Jan '08
Location: France
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Posted by weakminded: Insert smiley I know what you're feeling, lost the other day on a private freeroll my KK against 63s. He re-raised me preflop so I pushed, he called and off course he rivers a flush (so clich? Well I got kicked out only earning 3? while he went on to the final table (I saw later) winning 63? I was so jealous cause I knew he couldn't play for S**T and still he finished 4th. Oh well, I hope to see him on the cash tables soon with his money .
Joined: Jan '09
Location: South Africa
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Posted by Davoodoo: If you cant beat the freerolls then dont even think about playing for real money ...
If you play real money like freerolls i dont want to see your bankroll...
Anyway i always join the donkfest,its for free so what have you got to lose so try and do the same as the rest,push with anything suited,any pair and ofcourse the high connectors... Freerolls are also a nice way to blow off steam after losing a bit with real money cause your doing the bad beats
Joined: Sep '08
Location: Malta
Age: 49 (M)
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Yeah.. and It's not only freerolls where this sht happens. Just last night was deep into 7,5K GTD tourney.. I was 4th I think and there was 25 or so players left. Went all in from button with my AK and BB called with 6,4 os !!!! so, there ya go lost half of my stack to a pair of 6's. And just to add to my misery, lost the rest to the same dude with QQ against his KK.
These things happen and for me it's not easy to not to TILT for the rest of the moth and burn half of my bankroll..
But still.. If I just could just once meet this donk in a bar and kindly ask him whatta f*** he was thinking (if that breed is equiped with brains, to think that is).
Joined: Feb '09
Location: Sweden
Age: 52 (M)
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Posted by paledos: Yeah.. and It's not only freerolls where this sht happens. Just last night was deep into 7,5K GTD tourney.. I was 4th I think and there was 25 or so players left. Went all in from button with my AK and BB called with 6,4 os !!!! so, there ya go lost half of my stack to a pair of 6's. And just to add to my misery, lost the rest to the same dude with QQ against his KK.
These things happen and for me it's not easy to not to TILT for the rest of the moth and burn half of my bankroll..
But still.. If I just could just once meet this donk in a bar and kindly ask him whatta f*** he was thinking (if that breed is equiped with brains, to think that is).
Joined: Sep '08
Location: Malta
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Posted by p3o:
Posted by paledos: Yeah.. and It's not only freerolls where this sht happens. Just last night was deep into 7,5K GTD tourney.. I was 4th I think and there was 25 or so players left. Went all in from button with my AK and BB called with 6,4 os !!!! so, there ya go lost half of my stack to a pair of 6's. And just to add to my misery, lost the rest to the same dude with QQ against his KK.
These things happen and for me it's not easy to not to TILT for the rest of the moth and burn half of my bankroll..
But still.. If I just could just once meet this donk in a bar and kindly ask him whatta f*** he was thinking (if that breed is equiped with brains, to think that is).
Went all in with AK? What were YOU thinking ?
I take that as a joke but u being from where u are.. i'll explain one min raise before, huge blinds, two med stacks in blinds. didn't find anything better to do with my AK s.
Joined: Nov '08
Location: Norway
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Posted by paledos: Went all in with AK? What were YOU thinking ?
I take that as a joke but u being from where u are.. i'll explain one min raise before, huge blinds, two med stacks in blinds. didn't find anything better to do with my AK s.
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Have to agree with my fellow scandinavian mate here. Going all-in in late levels against medium stacks could send a signal your bluffing and they might call you with just about anything. Unless you have AA or KK, all-in is NEVER an option pre-flop in my opinion. A typical 3 or 4 times BB is always a good bet if your medium stacked (10xBB+) or large stacked (24BB+). Then you can afford to lay it down if you're called and hit a flop of say 10 10 8 with AK and similar. Same goes with QQ, JJ and AQ. As I've said before....in a tourney your main target is to stay alive - NOT to have the biggest stack all the way. I made 500$ in MTT's this week alone and mainly because I was able to lay down AK, QQ and such. Just my two cents.....oh...and freerolls are no fun unless it's hosted by BRM!
Joined: Apr '08
Location: Sweden
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I don't agree at all, your main target in a MTT just as in any poker game is to earn as much as possible, not to just make it into the money. If you play scared all the way just so that you won't miss the bubble you will seriously hurt your chances of actually making it to the top. You should always go for the best value of your hand, and fearing hands like 64s with AK is lunatic, if you get a call you should be happy, you are the favorite, maybe you won't make it all the time but most of the time, not betting it is pretty much like min betting your top two pair because there is a flush draw out there.
Joined: Jan '09
Location: Belgium
Age: 35 (M)
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Personnaly, when I am playing a freeroll have 6000 players and only 20 who are payed more than 1 $, i play really really lose in the begining ... with a A I call all in ...
If I won my all in I play normal but I really play lose in begin ... ( now no all in with 72o )
And I am not unhappy to lose. Because playing tight-normal during 3 hours to be cracked by a 70%-30% and won 0$ would be make me very very nervous
i'm furious about this tons of fishs who only played freeroll and destroy the party ! We can play poker ... even if you have AA KK or somothing like that, you need to slow because of that kinf of player ... I lost last day on finale table with AK versus 75 .... raise pre flop 5 BB call ..... let' guess the end ....
Sorry but i'm nervous !!!!
See you later !
I fully understand your frustration but you have to consider what you are implying here.
Yes there are bad players in freerolls. The mere fact they have invested no money and care not for investing time makes that inevitable.
However to gain the experience you need to succesfully transfer to live cash you need to be able to deal with these kind of people. As the old saying goes "if you cant beat the bad players then how do you ever expect to beat the good ones"
The problem you have, and this is not aimed at you, so please dont think it is, you have too many people who forget that poker is a game where your best FIVE cards count, not the best two you have before the flop. So whilst pocket Aces is a great starting hand it does only contain 40% of your final hand that will count, and its not infallible to being beaten.
The skill of a truly great poker player is not that they get the best hands, its that they know when they have their opponent crushed and when they are behind and discretion tells them to get the hell out of there. They account for donks making moves with crap. Then go back later and punish them.
If you have AA and you raise pre-flop and get called then you have to be ready to lay it down. Yes raise after the flop, but if your opponent suddenly shoves over the top then ask yourself this. What COULD he have that would beat my AA. Could he have called with junk as hit two pair ? Could he have hit a set.
Observing players will tell you what they are likely to have. If htey are tight and not likely to call with crap then them suddenly shoving all in suggests they have a monster hand, ie they have hit a set. If however they are loose and your experience shows they will go all in with top pair, then you have a better chance and you can perhaps take a risk and call. Hoping that just this once they havent hit a monster.
A poker players greatest asset is patience, and sometimes having AA is not the best point at which you can attack a player. Unbelievably you can find better spots with worse hands and save yoursefl alot of chips and even more importantly alot of stress.
And that is precisely the thing the fish love. Someone who wont fold. If anything it makes you as bad as them.
Supposing first hand you raise with AA and the flop comes Q 7 7.
Are you suggesting you would call an all in raise after the flop, because if you would then you are as bad as the fool who called you with his 7 3 off suit.
Its precisely the "I will never fold......" that gives the donks the ammunition to continue to do what they do.
AA is a great starting hand, but people who say they will never fold it, no matter what are as bad as the donks that persistently beat them.
Joined: Aug '08
Location: Canada
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I have laid down AA many times,( it is my nightmare hand ). When the flop hits, that is when you know if you have a shot a great hand or a total loss. Watch your opponants, just because you are in a freeroll IMO if you play like the all in donks then................
I was so jealous cause I knew he couldn't play for S**T and still he finished 4th. 
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If you play real money like freerolls i dont want to see your bankroll...
