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Is it possible to calculate whats the EV (counting fold possibility) when u raise after the flop to allin with flush draw?

     
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You can only calculate the EV if you get called. The fold equity you have to guess. Some players will never lay down a top pair hand, other will put you on that draw. Both types of players will call all the time.

     
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I am not really good at this EV thingy, but difficult to say depends wot flush draw, you can hold nut flushdraw or lower so EV will be total diffirent right?
But with the ace flush draw it will be 50% plus everytime oponent folds and collect the pot cos you go allin (am i right?)
So i guess its EV+ in cashgame, in SNG/MTT its totally diffirent.

Am i making sense Confused

     
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Posted by doomdy:
Am i making sense Confused


No. With a flush draw you have around 35%. Having an ace may give you a bit more, but it is never 50/50. More around 43-45%

     
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Posted by shokaku:
Posted by doomdy:
Am i making sense Confused


No. With a flush draw you have around 35%. Having an ace may give you a bit more, but it is never 50/50. More around 43-45%

I am a EV-donk Sad

     
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OMG doomdy you got work to do Tongue

     
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Posted by doomdy:
I am a EV-donk Sad


What did Greenstein say: "Math is idiotic" Blink

     
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Doomdy download Pokerstove freeware fool around with it.

You can have many different flushdraws(fd).

Just fd

Fd+1 over

Fd+2over

Fd+pair

Fd+inside str8

Fd+OESD

Str8 fd

Put them in pokerstove vs a top pair you must have this on spine Thumbs Up

     
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Posted by M3turbo:
Doomdy download Pokerstove freeware fool around with it.

You can have many different flushdraws(fd).

Just fd

Fd+1 over

Fd+2over

Fd+pair

Fd+inside str8

Fd+OESD

Str8 fd

Put them in pokerstove vs a top pair you must have this on spine Thumbs Up

OESD Confused
God damn am i a rookie Confused

     
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Open ended st8 draw Smile

     
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Posted by M3turbo:
Open ended st8 draw Smile

Aaaaah knew that one Smile

     
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Posted by doomdy:
OESD Confused
God damn am i a rookie Confused


Confused Unbelievable. A 10k roll, but knows NOTHING about the game. Blink

     
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Posted by shokaku:
Posted by doomdy:
OESD Confused
God damn am i a rookie Confused


Confused Unbelievable. A 10k roll, but knows NOTHING about the game. Blink

Maybe the 10K was all luck Blink

     
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Posted by doomdy:
Posted by shokaku:
Posted by doomdy:
OESD Confused
God damn am i a rookie Confused


Confused Unbelievable. A 10k roll, but knows NOTHING about the game. Blink

Maybe the 10K was all luck Blink


Nah see it the other way around....you win without this knowledge imagine what you will do when you get your math straight.....Even better Thumbs Up

     
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Posted by M3turbo:
Posted by doomdy:
Posted by shokaku:
Posted by doomdy:
OESD Confused
God damn am i a rookie Confused


Confused Unbelievable. A 10k roll, but knows NOTHING about the game. Blink

Maybe the 10K was all luck Blink


Nah see it the other way around....you win without this knowledge imagine what you will do when you get your math straight.....Even better Thumbs Up


Doomdy <---- donk Sad

     
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Donk who build a 10K bankroll from nothing let's put it that way then Big Smile

     
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I am very confused now Confused
I do all calculations in my head how many BB left/stacksizes/handrange/ect...
Is this bad?
How can this EV-thingy help me?

OMG Confused

     
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Posted by doomdy:
How can this EV-thingy help me?

OMG Confused


It is more for cash games. In tourneys you allways have to consider your survival first and can't push the edges that hard.

     
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Posted by shokaku
It is more for cash games. In tourneys you allways have to consider your survival first and can't push the edges that hard.

Yes you made my day Smile

     
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@ doomdy

You know the math and principle strategy for playing double or nothing SnGs. Obviously you know them well - hence you bank roll.

Cash games are very different - you must be able to estimate your equity in every pot and from that decide whether a call fold or raise is going to be the most profitable. Estimating the quality of your opponents hand also plays a big part in this calculation

for example;

If you believe your opponent will not fold their hand then raising your draws ( virtually all of them except your monster draws with over cards ) . will be a -ev play and if they start raising, you must consider a fold if your odds for calling and getting paid off when you hit are poor.

This EV thingy can help you more with playing the regular SnGs where 1st gets half the money as playing to get all the chips is more important than just surviving. However I believe you can still do OK without it. Cash games though you will lose at all but the lowest stakes without it.

What did Greenstein say: "Math is idiotic" - God I hate this phrase.

This is a phrase invented by Barrys' son to make himself feel better about his inability or laziness to get to grips with it.

I wouldn't tell Barry this though Blink

     
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