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Despite i dont like the room betfair was one is think the math is more accurate. Like pokerstars Ipoker and ongame was the worse. And maybe full tilt on the middle. I play on FT by the way.
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Master of thruth!? (sorry my bad english) lol do you really think that all rng are equal? I do not said its rigged but there are diferences, do you think its impossible? Hope you understand what i meant.
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Posted by kevinnivek: do you really think that all rng are equal? I do not said its rigged but there are diferences, do you think its impossible? Hope you understand what i meant.
well... i have no reasons to doubt the rngs randomness. i feel your pain tho. on some sites the players are weaker then on others. and when they chase their draws more often, they will put a bad beat on you more often also...
so: i think the rngs work proper, but i have no doubt you experience people hitting their (sometimes ridiculous) draws more often on some networks.
EDIT: i hope you know what i mean. i playquite often on PKR, you know? and get the most horrible beats there; much more then on other sites. because this guys will rarely lay down an ace or an gutshot straight draw
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never put it, in that way... its something to think about, and maybe youre completely right... lol but it doesnt fell right sometimes
and about randomness, the runner, runner, randomness its too sick.
but hey, im playng on Full Tilt and as the time iam writting this i have lost 5 times in a row with KK always againts one villain, the profit of one session of 3hours was down the drain... I expect the variance and win a lot more tomorrow
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Posted by shokaku:
Posted by umarplus: either it is random or it is not...
Bingo
Naaa party is criminal with its RNG you can almost call the bad beats before they happen... Soooo many times you can see the AK will be beat by A2. Party sucks
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Posted by kevinnivek: it doesnt fell right sometimes
and about randomness, the runner, runner, randomness its too sick.
but hey, im playng on Full Tilt and as the time iam writting this i have lost 5 times in a row with KK always againts one villain, the profit of one session of 3hours was down the drain... I expect the variance and win a lot more tomorrow
ol yeah. poker can be really cruel. and variance is a B****
if it was about feeling i would say there are differences too. but hey: only facts are facts
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Posted by xxxbchxxx: Naaa party is criminal with its RNG you can almost call the bad beats before they happen... Soooo many times you can see the AK will be beat by A2. Party sucks
This will happen in 30% of all hands. So it is normal to see it quite often.
Runner runners will happen 3% of all hands. So it is NOT normal to see it in every third or even second hand.
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Posted by shokaku:
Posted by xxxbchxxx: Naaa party is criminal with its RNG you can almost call the bad beats before they happen... Soooo many times you can see the AK will be beat by A2. Party sucks
This will happen in 30% of all hands. So it is normal to see it quite often.
Runner runners will happen 3% of all hands. So it is NOT normal to see it in every third or even second hand.
are you implying runner runner draws happen between 33 and 50 % on some clients? thats ridiculous. what client are we talking about and how large is you sample size?
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Posted by umarplus: are you implying runner runner draws happen between 33 and 50 % on some clients? thats ridiculous. what client are we talking about and how large is you sample size?
It is only a few thousend hands. And naturely it is ongame. I don't call it the home of the runner runner suckout for nothing.
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Posted by shokaku:
Posted by umarplus: are you implying runner runner draws happen between 33 and 50 % on some clients? thats ridiculous. what client are we talking about and how large is you sample size?
It is only a few thousend hands. And naturely it is ongame. I don't call it the home of the runner runner suckout for nothing.
shokaku, you should know i give a lot on your oppinion. but im very skeptic on this one.
it is very hard to believe that runner runner draws succeed so often on a major poker network. this would mean their rng is seriously broken (we talk about an difference between 3 % and 30 - 50 % here. thats massive! )
on the other hand: i have trust you tracked your hands precisely and stuff. why dont you post concrete numbers? how many hands played (i know few thousand is not a proper sample size, but still it would be interesting), how often runner runner draws appeared to succeed and all that?
also: why dont you just exploit that broken rng?
in the end i believe (no offense intended), you did just face some bad variance (even events with 1 % chance do happen sometimes. come on: we all have a royal flush sometimes! still the chance to hit one is superlow for itself) and are unable to believe it, since you are a very good player otherwise. but hey: you have facts? bring em up!
EDIT: by the way: i agree on ongame-network beeing full of bad players, going for ridiculous draws ...and beeing rewarded occasionally
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Posted by umarplus:
shokaku, you should know i give a lot on your oppinion. but im very skeptic on this one.
it is very hard to believe that runner runner draws succeed so often on a major poker network. this would mean their rng is seriously broken (we talk about an difference between 3 % and 30 - 50 % here. thats massive! )
also: why dont you just exploit that broken rng?
in the end i believe (no offense intended), you did just face some bad variance (even events with 1 % chance do happen sometimes. come on: we all have a royal flush sometimes! still the chance to hit one is superlow for itself) and are unable to believe it, since you are a very good player otherwise. but hey: you have facts? bring em up!