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In the latest episode of HSP Durrrr decides to 5-bet Howard Lederer ( the most nitty player at the table ) pre flop. He has 86 off suit with position Howard has AK suited.
You can see the hand here ( 4mins 20secs in ) - no poker ads here Fat Tony
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The look on the face of Lederer at the and of the hand is priceless. And AK oop, so deep as they are at the table, is difficult to play. But Lederer made the worst choice. Facing the 5bet he had to push or fold. Calling oop is allways an invitation for desaster.
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Posted by Dellbo99: Whatever you think it makes for great entertainment
Sure does, didnt see the outcome comp went funny, but i guess he took it aftr the 8 hit, (ill watch al in a bit) For any normall person this is stupidity, think it was stupid even for durrr, he gets lucky, however it was all preempted and durrr plays it well, what can you put him on, AA AK KK think Howard hoped for the split, durr knew Howard cards, Howard had no idea on durr, what can you say the guys a poker god, a lucky god.
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If he had follow through with it when the board came up i could have given him props for it, but he didn't, there was nothing good from his side in that hand, he made a play Howard called him on it and Dwan got lucky, that was all there was to it, nothing genius about it.
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Posted by Whiskerer: If he had follow through with it when the board came up i could have given him props for it, but he didn't, there was nothing good from his side in that hand, he made a play Howard called him on it and Dwan got lucky, that was all there was to it, nothing genius about it.
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Posted by Whiskerer: If he had follow through with it when the board came up i could have given him props for it, but he didn't, there was nothing good from his side in that hand, he made a play Howard called him on it and Dwan got lucky, that was all there was to it, nothing genius about it.
I am sure you 5bet the table nit 10 times a day. After the flop was a bit dull. But that made the showdown, and Lederes reaction, possible.
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I don't, you know why? Because when the table nit keeps betting into you, he probably has something he won't so easily fold. I'm not saying Lederer played a good hand, my guess is he was not that femiliar with Dwan or that would have been an easy push, but it was far fram genius from Durrr as well, his bluff was called and he failed to bet it when he drew out, I don't really see in what way he succeeded in that hand.
Edit: Except for picking up the hand of course, but that was not really about skill, now was it?
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I guess Lederer is used to play against "honest" opponents. Guys who don't play back with JJ without a spade on a 4 spade board, or 5bet with 86o. So he is an easy target.
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I mostly agree with you Whiskerer but there was no reason for Dwan to bet it, he had showdown value and wouldn't get a call from a hand he could beat and probably put HL on the hand he had. If Dwan had not hit turn and HL checked to him im pretty sure Dwan would have bet.
Ok, so the title of this thread is: "Is this play genius or retarded?"...and the two possible answers are: "neither - it's just a standard play" and "genius - Durrrr's the new poker god". How the hell do I vote that this was retarded? Cuz I think it was retarded. He got lucky...damn lucky. Lucky that his garbage hand hit, and that Lederer didn't try to bet him out of the hand.
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Posted by Whiskerer: Okay, you are correct, but still, nothing durrr did in that hand was anywhere near genius, which was the point I was trying to make
5betting complete junk, knowing your opponent will have a hard time calling it? (Lederer usually limps AA, KK in early position. In this hand he did raise. So Dwan seems to have thought that he didn't have a real monster, and so had a hard time calling the 5bet)
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I did think they're be some split decisions on this one.
I think it's genius - I can't name a single player that would have done it and Durrr's out on his own with these type of plays.
He can make these type of plays profitable for many reasons:
He has good fold equity ( HL does not have to have AK suited ) He'll get paid off when he has a good hand HL virtually plays his hand face up He can take the pot away later in the hand - especially with position He can suck out and get paid by a big pair
However you see it HSP really needs this type of action. Thank heavens that Durrrr's here to bring it.
