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pigs get a cold WTF lol that made me laugh.. im surprised its just a cold after all they do roll round in crap all day long so getting a cold aint that bad in my opinon lol
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Some intresting answers, for me i dont think its something to worry about, I belive it to be more of a test to see how we react to such news as bird flu has a huge potential to cause damage, so I think it a test for that senero. I dont understand why we stock pile drugs, some places masks when we know that they almost have no effect. Scientists are saying that the strain is not even that strong but does have potential. Also news like this that floods the media tends to happen when something is going on that govenment dont want to be spilt too much, I find it a little strange today that a random person got more coverage than the UK pulling out of Iraq, i think thats pritty big news. Like someone else said we are overdue now. But has any one took time out to see what measures they will take if bird flu hits...you will be in shot locked in your house get a doctor call, if you choose to leave you may be shoot....
"The only known cure for Swine Flu has been found to be the liberal application of oinkment."
"Apparently my mate's got Swine Flu, I think he's just telling porkies, though."
"Woman runs out of petrol, when the AA arive they ask "why didnt you fill up there is a garage 2 minits away", she replys but I dont want to catch swine flu, he respods "thats mexaco not teaco"
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not have to worry about in specialized laboratories are working on this these things should not be given media, they have a negative effect in our minds
Posted by DrTre1213: I think it's just a fear factor. Take the placebo effect, for example. When doctors doing studies give patients a sugar pill (called a placebo, that has no real effect whatsoever) and tell them it is really a type of medication that will have such and such an effect, studies show that the patients start feeling the positive results of what the actual medication would inhibit. They can't formally explain it...the closest theory they can come to is that the human mind, when it believes something wholeheartedly right-down-to-the-core, then that effect manifests in their bodies. Logically speaking the same could happen vice-versa, right? If people worry and worry and worry "oh, swine flu, swine flu, I'm gonna get it, oh I'm so worried", then if you do happen to come in contact with it you'll for sure get sick! Anyone who just dismisses it and carrys on with their daily lives will be A-ok! Food for thought
Posted by intentcity4:sorry, thats rubbish, even if you get one of the common flu"s no placibo effect will help you, a lot of people who get a bad cold say they have the flu, if you have the flu you"ll be sick as a dog for a week and every muscle in your body will acke, you"ll have a very high fever, the runs, and generally feel like death warmed up and you wont be able to get out of bed for long, and if you front for work within a week then you didnt have the flu, just a cold, most people get a true flu 2/3 times in a lifetime, and thats just a common flu, if you get one of the more dangerous strains without medication it could kill you. even in your prime, placibos can help people with certain ailments in the short term, but certainly not with any illness that causes fever.
I'm sorry, you're wrong. And I think you missed my point. It's pretty deep. I used the placebo effect (and note the spelling P-L-A-C-E-B-O) as an example. It indicates, in proven medical terms, how closely the mind and physical condition of the body are connected. Carl Jung coined the term "noosphere" which defines how each person in society's mindset interacts with each others' to form a kind of unified thought (collective consciousness). Princeton's Global Consciousness Project has done several studies to further prove how this phenomenon is true. Think of it this way: if the overall mental strength and health of the collective conscious is high, then there is really nothing to worry about. However, if a general feeling of fear and panic is present, then more people are at risk because more people are susceptible to infection, as well as defenseless in the instance the virus infiltrates their body in their weak state of mind. I hope that made enough sense.
Oh, and if all else fails, take MMS (Miracle Mineral Supplement). The compound is chlorine dioxide (ClO2) and has been used as an oxidant in many applications, most commonly water purification. The great thing about this oxidant is that it only oxidizes pathogens (the bacteria in our bodies that are harmful). It has been shown that this oxidant can and has cured cases of AIDS, cancer, malaria, hepatitis, herpes, the common cold and flu! Check this out: http://www.miraclemineral.org/ Please, be skeptical and do the research, and if you find it is right for you, then try it! If not, then don't. Personally I think anything that has cured multiple patients of these ailments, even though not every single person becomes cured, is worth it!
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Posted by DrTre1213: I think it's just a fear factor. Take the placebo effect, for example. When doctors doing studies give patients a sugar pill (called a placebo, that has no real effect whatsoever) and tell them it is really a type of medication that will have such and such an effect, studies show that the patients start feeling the positive results of what the actual medication would inhibit. They can't formally explain it...the closest theory they can come to is that the human mind, when it believes something wholeheartedly right-down-to-the-core, then that effect manifests in their bodies. Logically speaking the same could happen vice-versa, right? If people worry and worry and worry "oh, swine flu, swine flu, I'm gonna get it, oh I'm so worried", then if you do happen to come in contact with it you'll for sure get sick! Anyone who just dismisses it and carrys on with their daily lives will be A-ok! Food for thought
Posted by intentcity4:sorry, thats rubbish, even if you get one of the common flu"s no placibo effect will help you, a lot of people who get a bad cold say they have the flu, if you have the flu you"ll be sick as a dog for a week and every muscle in your body will acke, you"ll have a very high fever, the runs, and generally feel like death warmed up and you wont be able to get out of bed for long, and if you front for work within a week then you didnt have the flu, just a cold, most people get a true flu 2/3 times in a lifetime, and thats just a common flu, if you get one of the more dangerous strains without medication it could kill you. even in your prime, placibos can help people with certain ailments in the short term, but certainly not with any illness that causes fever.
I'm sorry, you're wrong. And I think you missed my point. It's pretty deep. I used the placebo effect (and note the spelling P-L-A-C-E-B-O) as an example. It indicates, in proven medical terms, how closely the mind and physical condition of the body are connected. Carl Jung coined the term "noosphere" which defines how each person in society's mindset interacts with each others' to form a kind of unified thought (collective consciousness). Princeton's Global Consciousness Project has done several studies to further prove how this phenomenon is true. Think of it this way: if the overall mental strength and health of the collective conscious is high, then there is really nothing to worry about. However, if a general feeling of fear and panic is present, then more people are at risk because more people are susceptible to infection, as well as defenseless in the instance the virus infiltrates their body in their weak state of mind. I hope that made enough sense.
Oh, and if all else fails, take MMS (Miracle Mineral Supplement). The compound is chlorine dioxide (ClO2) and has been used as an oxidant in many applications, most commonly water purification. The great thing about this oxidant is that it only oxidizes pathogens (the bacteria in our bodies that are harmful). It has been shown that this oxidant can and has cured cases of AIDS, cancer, malaria, hepatitis, herpes, the common cold and flu! Check this out: http://www.miraclemineral.org/ Please, be skeptical and do the research, and if you find it is right for you, then try it! If not, then don't. Personally I think anything that has cured multiple patients of these ailments, even though not every single person becomes cured, is worth it!
your are a complete muppet, and note the spelling, M.U.P.P.E.T, enough said. dont believe everything you read online. you are very very gullible, i have some nigerian friends who would just love to meet you. even just by email. just have your credit card handy like you would with the link you posted or me and you could play poker ? i think id really really enjoy that. but please dont take any miracle cure before we play because i wouldnt stand a chance.
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Posted by DrTre1213: It has been shown that this oxidant can and has cured cases of AIDS, cancer, malaria, hepatitis, herpes, the common cold and flu
Well your the first person on he to get me lost for words.
If this stuff is such a miracle cure then why has this Quack Doctor not recived the noble prize for medicine. I think you know why not becose it is a load of CRAP.
Man, I'll bet you didn't even look into it! I've researched it thoroughly, and quite honestly, the corroborations far outweigh any attempts to debunk. Did you happen to notice how I clearly stated for people to be skeptical and weigh the pros and cons? Apparently not.
But you know what? This conversation is over. You can barely structure a sentence, let alone carry on a rational, philosophical debate.
------------ That's fine. If you guys don't want to hop on board, then don't.
There is a reason behind the repression of this stuff. People on here have been posting a lot of links to Alex Jones and the like...anyone who has read into that stuff knows full well what's up in the world. There are rich and powerful people in high places who would like to see the world's population go down. A lot. Don't believe me? Look at this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_guidestone . Now, why would someone plant these huge stones, costing as much as it would, with..get this..a commandment to "maintain humanity under 500,000,000"..hmmm? The world's population is currently about 6,500,000,000. That's a whole hell of a lot of people who have to die! All this swine flu crap and most other diseases that are creating huge pandemics...really think it's a freak of nature..?
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DrTre1213 - Its good you form your own oppnion, but is that what it is? Sorry not loked at the site you mention sure ill have a loopk later, but i see in your lates comment that you belive we want less humans, over poupulated, wrong, some places are over crouded thats true, a lot of places (like the UK) need more ppl, hence a blind eye to imagration and if it is to ever get to high we wont KILL ppl we will controll.(as in 1 child per family) Now the placebo, hmm how can you explain this, in short it will work when you are not ill, as intenticity mentions it will not work whatsoever on flu, its a bug and unless your body can produce the correct chemicals it will not work, now we have not been exposed so we do not have a defence, in short. And then we get to MMS, is it from lourdes? HA i joke, serious WTF if you want to belive in that then ok, AIDS, cancer, malaria and hepatitis lol, you tell me it can grow new limbs for the disabled next.
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Posted by DrTre1213: Man, I'll bet you didn't even look into it!
------------ That's fine. If you guys don't want to hop on board, then dont
Yes i did look into it but drinking bleach this mixed with water so it is bacicly bleach. And the site say's this s**t can cure everything from dandruff , Cancer, Aids and the go's all the way to say on there website it can even stop you dieing from a anthrax attack.....
Don't take the piss pal you have realy round me up so bring it on cunt and we will argue.
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Posted by DrTre1213: Man, I'll bet you didn't even look into it! I've researched it thoroughly, and quite honestly, the corroborations far outweigh any attempts to debunk. Did you happen to notice how I clearly stated for people to be skeptical and weigh the pros and cons? Apparently not.
But you know what? This conversation is over. You can barely structure a sentence, let alone carry on a rational, philosophical debate.
------------ That's fine. If you guys don't want to hop on board, then don't.
There is a reason behind the repression of this stuff. People on here have been posting a lot of links to Alex Jones and the like...anyone who has read into that stuff knows full well what's up in the world. There are rich and powerful people in high places who would like to see the world's population go down. A lot. Don't believe me? Look at this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_guidestone . Now, why would someone plant these huge stones, costing as much as it would, with..get this..a commandment to "maintain humanity under 500,000,000"..hmmm? The world's population is currently about 6,500,000,000. That's a whole hell of a lot of people who have to die! All this swine flu crap and most other diseases that are creating huge pandemics...really think it's a freak of nature..?
If you can show us that YOU personally took this and have been "cured" from one of those diseases, then maybe you have something to talk about, but until then this is bs. You are sounding like the old times with snake oil. JMO. I also think you believe all you read on the internet as fact and I would hardly call that reasearch!! Do you have a lab? Have you experimented yourself with this? Are you licensed to do so? I could go on but really what is the point?
This was a discusion and poll about "swine flu" not "miricle potions" and other bs with no real fact to back it up besides a internet site and a posters "opinion" due to "reaserch". Give me a break and get back on topic.
What I would like to know is if anyone knows anyone who has been infected and if so , how are they , how did it happen,( if known), and what are they doing?
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Posted by DrTre1213: Man, I'll bet you didn't even look into it! I've researched it thoroughly, and quite honestly, the corroborations far outweigh any attempts to debunk. Did you happen to notice how I clearly stated for people to be skeptical and weigh the pros and cons? Apparently not.
But you know what? This conversation is over. You can barely structure a sentence, let alone carry on a rational, philosophical debate.
------------ That's fine. If you guys don't want to hop on board, then don't.
There is a reason behind the repression of this stuff. People on here have been posting a lot of links to Alex Jones and the like...anyone who has read into that stuff knows full well what's up in the world. There are rich and powerful people in high places who would like to see the world's population go down. A lot. Don't believe me? Look at this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_guidestone . Now, why would someone plant these huge stones, costing as much as it would, with..get this..a commandment to "maintain humanity under 500,000,000"..hmmm? The world's population is currently about 6,500,000,000. That's a whole hell of a lot of people who have to die! All this swine flu crap and most other diseases that are creating huge pandemics...really think it's a freak of nature..?
you see everyone, even stupid people can use fancie words. lol, im wondering if the twit has a stake in miracle cure ??
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Posted by intentcity4:
Posted by DrTre1213: Man, I'll bet you didn't even look into it! I've researched it thoroughly, and quite honestly, the corroborations far outweigh any attempts to debunk. Did you happen to notice how I clearly stated for people to be skeptical and weigh the pros and cons? Apparently not.
But you know what? This conversation is over. You can barely structure a sentence, let alone carry on a rational, philosophical debate.
------------ That's fine. If you guys don't want to hop on board, then don't.
There is a reason behind the repression of this stuff. People on here have been posting a lot of links to Alex Jones and the like...anyone who has read into that stuff knows full well what's up in the world. There are rich and powerful people in high places who would like to see the world's population go down. A lot. Don't believe me? Look at this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_guidestone . Now, why would someone plant these huge stones, costing as much as it would, with..get this..a commandment to "maintain humanity under 500,000,000"..hmmm? The world's population is currently about 6,500,000,000. That's a whole hell of a lot of people who have to die! All this swine flu crap and most other diseases that are creating huge pandemics...really think it's a freak of nature..?
you see everyone, even stupid people can use fancie words. lol, im wondering if the twit has a stake in miracle cure ??
OK, gloves back on before tony deletes the thread, its funny how it aparently came from pigs, we have been adding human genes to pigs for sometime now with human ears and such grown on the back of pigs and mice, i dont know anything about medical science but i wonder if this could enhance the chances of animal to human deseases evolving, because we have been giving animals human deseases in labs for decades it isnt hard to think that deseases could mutate that way, we may be opening pandoras box. also dr.tre i think if the powers that be wanted to create a pandemic then it would be much more powerfull than the recent outbreaks, (sars, bird flu ect) id be more inclined to think of terrorists before politicions but i think my pandoras box idea is much more likely.
Ugh. Ok I will respectfully explain how it all works and provide references. None of you people have even heard about it, let alone done adequate research, therefore your ignorance is excusable.
The main compound in MMS is chlorine dioxide (ClO2). Like I stated before, chlorine dioxide is an oxidant which has been commonly used in water purification and yes, wood bleaching (as dunotra stated). Something you need to understand is that the concentration of the compound is what is key. Please refer to the Wikipedia page on chlorine dioxide http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chlorine_dioxide. This is a direct quote from the article there: "It is more effective as a disinfectant than chlorine in most circumstances against water borne pathogenic microbes such as viruses, bacteria and protozoa". Dunotra, if you note in this article, it says that the bleaching of wood pulp requires 95% or greater concentration. At a much lower concentration, it has the effect I just quoted.
The MMS is taken in doses, usually starting with one drop, mixed with a full glass of juice or water. The user then steps up the amount of doses according to how effectively it is working. Like I said before in another post above (and reiterated in the quote from Wiki in this post), chlorine dioxide only oxidizes pathogens. There are harmful and beneficial bacteria in the human body. Pathogens are the harmful ones. At the correct concentration (which is what MMS is formulated to) it is completely harmless to the human body. Once the MMS oxidizes the pathogens, the chemical reaction that takes place leaves sodium chloride (table salt) as a byproduct, which you just piss on out.
Look, you guys can say all the crap you want to me and about me. The point I'm trying to make is that swine flu, no matter what happens, is curable and preventable. I'm just trying to provide some helpful information for people here and all I'm getting is made fun of. I really don't care...just trying to help. And for the record, none of you have done any reading into this at all. Any comments that have been made are purely based on each poster's own personal opinion.
Anyways, if anyone has some relevant critique or debunking with references to provide, I'll be happy to rebut. Funny that I'm the only poster in this discussion providing links to reliable sources
------------ Oh, and here's an interesting tidbit as well. If any of you had done any reading you'd have found that ONLY 16..yes 16..confirmed deaths due to swine flu. The rest are only "probable". So, 16 definite swine flu fatalities, and all this commotion, eh? Well, I wonder why the media and governments are making such a big deal? And that is a rhetorical question. I am not going to give my opinion why I think it is, but think about it. It doesn't make sense. Make your own opinions, by all means. But swine flu is way less than what we're being told.
------------ " Although there have been reports of 152 "probable deaths" in Mexico City and "more than 100 dead from swine flu", the WHO had received reports of only 16 confirmed deaths total and explicitly denied the larger figure as of April 29 "
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i think the reason there making a big deal about swine flu is there is no vacination for it, i think you would agree that the numbers in mexico although unconfirmed are still worrying, you are making a little more sense about the other topic, but still the question remains why it isnt mainstream if it does work, i hope your right about it, i think everyone on the planet does, studies have proven certain mint oils (spearmint, peppermint, in there pure forms) kill the AIDS virus on contact but isnt any use what so ever in helping victims of the virus, i will do a little research into your theory and post back.
Well, it really depends on how far along the AIDS patient is. AIDS isn't actually a virus itself. HIV is the virus (Human Immunodeficiency Virus). It attacks the immune system and kills white blood cells. Once the immune system has been weakened to a certain point, the patient is declared to have AIDS (Acquired ImmunoDeficiency Syndrome), where even a common cold could kill them. I suppose that if the person has enough of their immune system left, the MMS would kill off the rest of the HIV that is destroying the immune system and the body would be able to regenerate its immune system.
As a response to your question, it is a possibility that the pharmaceutical industry is using commercial and government leverage to prevent its exploitation. If you have seen Michael Moore's "Sicko", it is a good demonstration of how cutthroat the American health care system is. With such close ties between massive corporations in the states, the guys in the upper echelon have the power to suppress certain things from making the media, as well as the power to exaggerate others, e.g. swine flu
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I still find this amazing that you are calling it "your reaserch"!! You read about it on the internet . I read about many things every day on the internet and would hardly call it research.
Now before this thread gets closed due to this either start your own or get back on the topic as posted by OP.
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i think he meant his research into the matter,
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Posted by DrTre1213: Well, it really depends on how far along the AIDS patient is. AIDS isn't actually a virus itself. HIV is the virus (Human Immunodeficiency Virus). It attacks the immune system and kills white blood cells. Once the immune system has been weakened to a certain point, the patient is declared to have AIDS (Acquired ImmunoDeficiency Syndrome), where even a common cold could kill them. I suppose that if the person has enough of their immune system left, the MMS would kill off the rest of the HIV that is destroying the immune system and the body would be able to regenerate its immune system.
As a response to your question, it is a possibility that the pharmaceutical industry is using commercial and government leverage to prevent its exploitation. If you have seen Michael Moore's "Sicko", it is a good demonstration of how cutthroat the American health care system is. With such close ties between massive corporations in the states, the guys in the upper echelon have the power to suppress certain things from making the media, as well as the power to exaggerate others, e.g. swine flu
could be the old water engine matter as well, how oil companies try to squash anything thats going to compete agaist them, drug research companies spend billions and billions os $s developing there drugs and if someone came along with a miricle cure to lots of different ailments then they would lose trilions, so its in there best interests if we all get sick and stay sick, its a sick world isnt it.
------------ but one thing i know about scientists is that they crave recognision much more than money, so its either not as effective as your making out or its about to go public. and also, this drug you speak of isnt a placebo, which is what you originaly quoted me on. if this drug does work, then its only a short term fix as im sure you know (short term as in the big pichure) no drugs forever, the more we use a certain drug the more resitance the pathogen will get. look at common penacilyn, the original form of the drug wouldnt cure anything now.
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good points 4 u dunotra
placibos can help people with certain ailments in the short term, but certainly not with any illness that causes fever. 
I also think you believe all you read on the internet as fact and I would hardly call that reasearch!! Do you have a lab? Have you experimented yourself with this? Are you licensed to do so? I could go on but really what is the point?
