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PokerStars Game #: Holdem No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2009/05/03 Table 9-max Seat #2 is the button Seat 1: ($85.15 in chips) Seat 2: ($98 in chips) Seat 3: ($101.20 in chips) Seat 4: ($100 in chips) Seat 5: hero ($117.45 in chips) Seat 6: ($107.65 in chips) Seat 7: ($189.30 in chips) Seat 8: ($100 in chips) Seat 9: ($134 in chips) : posts small blind $0.50 : posts big blind $1
Ts6c4h9h7h hero: checks : bets $32 hero: folds Uncalled bet ($32) returned collected $96.50 from pot : doesnt show hand
Am I an idiot? Have I just been pushed off the pot due to my check? Please comment....I feel i played it wrong...grrr...mainly passive players, but not long joind table.
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Posted by B1gfoot: Am I an idiot?
Yep.
Fold preflop. ATo under the gun is not a hand to be played in full ring games. 7h is one of the worst cards possible at the river. So you may have been bluffed.
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There is that , but its ok sometimes (i would normall fold but not today) But after the 1st mistake , im frustrated on this cause i know iv been bluffed (well i think) I gotta fold it right, im right to fold, even tho iv been bluffed damn it. Whats he got, trips on flop? chases grrr, no flush thats out, str8 hmm possable 98s hmmm. ohhhh ill never know lol.
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I think he's unlikely to have hit a drawing hand because he wouldn't call to the river for an 8. he hasn't got the odds. Nor has he got the odds for a backdoor flush draw. I think a check on the river was a bad idea because you told him you were afraid of those draws. But then again if he'd raised you you'd have had to fold and lost more chips. Maybe you should have tried to keep the pot smaller by betting less on the flop and turn. maybe you could have checked the turn to see where you are then rather than leave it to the river to find out.
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OK, iv been out played, and its mainly my own fault, time to put it to the poll. Fold or not. Fold pre-flop is there for you shokaku, i guess lots might vote it :}.
I think the mistake was that you played the TPTK a bit to hard.
You got two callers preflop, so they most likely don't have a big pair, probebly a low pair that hit the flop. Since both calls your 10BB bet on the turn, I would say it is very likely that atleast one of them has something bigger then a pair (read a set).
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If you need to mix up your range a bit - play a T9 not an AT, playing AT out of position is so tough. At 100NL there is probably no need to though.
I think as the hand played out you have to call this bet, unless you have a mega good read on you opponent, and that's not likely if you've not been at the table long.
I'd expect to be beat here most of the time but your opponent has only bet one third pot and if you win the pot 25% of the time or better, long term you'll turn a profit. For these odds I'd make the call especially as I'd expect a chop here quite often.
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I was thinking along them lines too dell, id play someting like that 1 in 4 ish, so i could have called, he did prove from the rest of the game that he likes to chase so id guess he did hit str8. Most of the comments relate to my hand selection, its not about that, it about the river.
It's easy to say fold now. Of course it was the best thing to do but when are you playing and things go not so well sometoms happens to do a bad call Anyway if yo want to bluff, need to puch more preflop or before turn but it's really hard
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you cant keep playing these sort of hands and be proffitable in the long run..... get used to ditching the "maybe hands" and inprove your cash game no end... If only i could follow my own advice id be a much better player.lol.lol
I wouldnt have raised pre flop in the first instance and folded to any raise. I would have limped. Made a smaller bet after the flop and been well aware of the possibility of an over pair. With him calling the flop then I would have checked the turn folding to any raise.
You werent pushed off hte hand due to the check, I would put money on the fact you were beaten because he had either an overpair to teh board or had hit a set.
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Okay.. I dont know why but something tells me that you should have called on the river.. You are getting decent pot odds with that bet and you dont have the worst hand in history..
I really dont know why, Just something that tells me its the play to do!
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Posted by shokaku:
Posted by B1gfoot: Most of the comments relate to my hand selection, its not about that, it about the river.
All possible draws have gotten there. So if you don't know for sure that the guy is extremly bluffy, drop it.
"The guy" doesn't have to be bluffy for you to call and have the best hand here - if he's capable of value betting thin then top pair top kicker could easily be good here. I would say that against all but the tightest nut peddlers it has to be good at least 25% of the time.
, but its ok sometimes (i would normall fold but not today)
snake 
