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Joined: Mar '08
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Is it only for SnG outher wise the rakeback thingy could be miles off. And if it is then the rakeback thingy is still wrong with ROI in mind. Unless MTT
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To calculate rake back you'd need to know how many large pots are played. In all four cases there was a profit so you haven't bet and lost the full stake but you could have lost half of it and regained it which would make a huge rake and a huge rake back. It also depends on how many hands you played to make the profit so imo you can't really calculate rake back in this. How well you play, manage your bankroll and what levels you play will all effect the rake taken.
this is obviously only the case if you were playing at cash tables not tourneys.
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Nope not obvious. On a $100 SnG with ROI 2%, how many games would I have to play to get that sort of ROI?, i gotta at least be ITM once then lose some making my rakeback much more. It would make a little more sense as a MTT. Or do it over x amount of games. Out of intrest wich one did you pick.
WOuld have to be A because when you suck out on someone and they go looking at your Sharkscope stats they darent say a word. I mean how can you argue with a +55% ROI...
I dream of the day I get a positive ROI let alone one as high as 55%
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Posted by B1gfoot: Nope not obvious. On a $100 SnG with ROI 2%, how many games would I have to play to get that sort of ROI?, i gotta at least be ITM once then lose some making my rakeback much more. It would make a little more sense as a MTT. Or do it over x amount of games. Out of intrest wich one did you pick.
Wot i meant was: Ur a winning player for example playin $100 stakes with ROI 2%, u played allready more then 10,000 SNG so sample is ok. SO who u pick? (Lets say its turbo with $100 stakes, multitabling easy to play 50 a day, so $3000 profit and $4000 rakeback plus all his PlayerPoints so must be close too 10K a month (average))
Offcourse i pick the one with highest profit, in this case player C or D, who the best player is, is debateable (english )
There are alot of SNG grinders at $100, $200 stakes with not a big ROI but making big big money offcourse off their profit but also loads off rakeback. In this case i did the 30% but you know this is littl bit too low, their are lots of deals which givs sometin like 50%, and didnt mention all the PlayerPoint you get, thats also rakeback right?
But who do i pick? Hmmm in the long D makes the most profit for sure, i guess i pick D.
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Posted by B1gfoot: And if it is then the rakeback thingy is still wrong with ROI in mind.
I think i did the rakeback calculations ok imo The RB stays the same, no matter you win or loose.
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OK, over 10k games, then I go for A, i know I dont have to rely on rakeback for profit, also I know if I play a bit more I am almost the same as player D who is risking much more. A 200% up stake for such a small increas in $ IMO is too risky, best not tilt. Using your RB math from #7 A. 28700+ B. 27400+ C. 34500+ D. 44000+ Think that right was getting mytherd whilst doing it.
My vote goes for A. I don't play $5 SnGs yet (only from time to time) because my bankroll allows me to play $2 ones only but I want to get there soon. With a ROI of 55% that would be very profitable.
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I find it funny how few people chose D.........is this a poker forum or not? I think a pokerplayer has to be where the best profit is END OF STORY
Obv I pick D.
@B1gfoot
It's not really risking money when you know exact return on investment before you do it. When you now your exact ROI you have played so many games that tilt and variance is taken into account(included in ROI).
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Ahh, yes but if it was not for RB then who do you choose? If ROI includes the varient then yes we all go for D, but then its not varient. Lets face it if in 10k games you only win 200 would you want to play? For me Im not in to poker for the $, yes its nice but I work for that and would find it quite hard to play poker for what I earn, so i play for enjoyment, mabee that reflects my answer a bit.
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