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Which player you want to be? Player A,B,C or D?
And why?

(Dont forget the rakeback thingy Blink)

Edited by doomdy (11 May 2009 @ 10:25 GMT)


     
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Going for:

A: Average stake $5, ROI 55%

cause im not in a hurry building up a Bankroll and a 5$ with a ROI of 55% would just be my game to build that bankroll Blink

     
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voted for D because i have a good rakeback thingy Big Smile

     
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Posted by Mucking:
cause im not in a hurry building up a Bankroll

Its all basically the same. Smile

I dont want to be any of them.
OK, A for vanity Vs sanity, id rather risk $5 than $100 for a small return.

As for the rakeback thingy - Id rather be able to play and win than get money back for better enjoyment so i still stick with A.

     
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player A. that ROI looks decent enuff to give me bragging reasons Agree

     
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Player A. B is still debatable. But for C and D the swings will be to harsh for me. With such small edges one will face downswings a lot of the time.

     
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If you calculate roughly the average profit a game its sometin like this:
(30% rakeback at 8% fee/rake)

A: $5 * 55% ROI = $2,75 + $0,12 RB = $2,87
B: $10 * 25% ROI = $2,50 + $0,24 RB = $2,74
C: $50 * 4,5% ROI = $2,25 + $1,20 RB = $3,45
D: $100 * 2% ROI= $2,00 + $2,40 RB = $4,40

But like shokaku said, C and D are much more swingy then A and B, so you must have a big roll for that an a big sample size....

     
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Now it's clear..
ok Doomdy I agree with you ( as always, yuo know ).
But if you don't consider rakeback the situation is a bit different.

     
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Is it only for SnG outher wise the rakeback thingy could be miles off.
And if it is then the rakeback thingy is still wrong with ROI in mind. Unless MTT

     
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To calculate rake back you'd need to know how many large pots are played. In all four cases there was a profit so you haven't bet and lost the full stake but you could have lost half of it and regained it which would make a huge rake and a huge rake back. It also depends on how many hands you played to make the profit so imo you can't really calculate rake back in this. How well you play, manage your bankroll and what levels you play will all effect the rake taken.

this is obviously only the case if you were playing at cash tables not tourneys.

     
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Aaah i forgot to mention its for SNG not CASH but i guess thats obvious right? Blink

     
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Nope not obvious.
On a $100 SnG with ROI 2%, how many games would I have to play to get that sort of ROI?, i gotta at least be ITM once then lose some making my rakeback much more.
It would make a little more sense as a MTT. Or do it over x amount of games.
Out of intrest wich one did you pick.

     
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Player A. The ROI is more consistent, so you can actually build a bankroll. Once you've built enough you can move on up Big Smile

     
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WOuld have to be A because when you suck out on someone and they go looking at your Sharkscope stats they darent say a word. I mean how can you argue with a +55% ROI...

I dream of the day I get a positive ROI let alone one as high as 55%

Big Smile

     
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Posted by DrTre1213:
Player A. The ROI is more consistent, so you can actually build a bankroll. Once you've built enough you can move on up Big Smile

How do you know its consistant?

(winnings - buyins)/buyins = ROI

Edited by B1gfoot (11 May 2009 @ 15:59 GMT)


     
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Posted by B1gfoot:
Nope not obvious.
On a $100 SnG with ROI 2%, how many games would I have to play to get that sort of ROI?, i gotta at least be ITM once then lose some making my rakeback much more.
It would make a little more sense as a MTT. Or do it over x amount of games.
Out of intrest wich one did you pick.

Wot i meant was: Ur a winning player for example playin $100 stakes with ROI 2%, u played allready more then 10,000 SNG so sample is ok. SO who u pick?
(Lets say its turbo with $100 stakes, multitabling easy to play 50 a day, so $3000 profit and $4000 rakeback plus all his PlayerPoints so must be close too 10K a month (average))

Offcourse i pick the one with highest profit, in this case player C or D, who the best player is, is debateable (english Confused)

There are alot of SNG grinders at $100, $200 stakes with not a big ROI but making big big money offcourse off their profit but also loads off rakeback.
In this case i did the 30% but you know this is littl bit too low, their are lots of deals which givs sometin like 50%, and didnt mention all the PlayerPoint you get, thats also rakeback right?

But who do i pick?
Hmmm in the long D makes the most profit for sure, i guess i pick D.

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Posted by B1gfoot:
And if it is then the rakeback thingy is still wrong with ROI in mind.

I think i did the rakeback calculations ok imo Smile
The RB stays the same, no matter you win or loose.

(Or didnt u mean that?)

Edited by doomdy (11 May 2009 @ 16:46 GMT)


     
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OK, over 10k games, then I go for A, i know I dont have to rely on rakeback for profit, also I know if I play a bit more I am almost the same as player D who is risking much more.
A 200% up stake for such a small increas in $ IMO is too risky, best not tilt.
Using your RB math from #7
A. 28700+
B. 27400+
C. 34500+
D. 44000+
Think that right was getting mytherd whilst doing it.

     
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My vote goes for A. I don't play $5 SnGs yet (only from time to time) because my bankroll allows me to play $2 ones only but I want to get there soon. Blink
With a ROI of 55% that would be very profitable. Smile

     
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I find it funny how few people chose D.........is this a poker forum or not? I think a pokerplayer has to be where the best profit is END OF STORY Cool

Obv I pick D.

@B1gfoot

It's not really risking money when you know exact return on investment before you do it. When you now your exact ROI you have played so many games that tilt and variance is taken into account(included in ROI).

     
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Ahh, yes but if it was not for RB then who do you choose?
If ROI includes the varient then yes we all go for D, but then its not varient.
Lets face it if in 10k games you only win 200 would you want to play?
For me Im not in to poker for the $, yes its nice but I work for that and would find it quite hard to play poker for what I earn, so i play for enjoyment, mabee that reflects my answer a bit.

     
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