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  13-May-09, 12:43   #21
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r1z0r3 

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i'd want AA all the time, i'll just go all in all the time Big Smile

     
  13-May-09, 12:45   #22
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fcumred 

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Posted by Matuonmies:
I bet he made this thread only because of mob points.
I think you should go all-in pre-flop when you have less chips than 13xBB of course its a good start.
But id rather take any of high pairs than AKs.


If I am down to less than 13 BBs then I prefer any pair to AK...

AK is only any good if its hits the board. If it misses its about as much use as a pork pie at a jewish wedding.

     
  13-May-09, 16:19   #23
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Rubenzio 
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I prefer AA

American Airlines!! Smile

     
  13-May-09, 17:03   #24
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sm9ai 
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I find it very difficult to fold a pair of aces so whenever I get dealt a pair of aces I will always go all in.

I do prefer to play with AK as I can fold them reasonably easily and in the long run I am more profitable with them.

     
  13-May-09, 17:57   #25
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Raggamann 
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Posted by racpxt:
And it's harder to get paid with AA when another A hits on the flop, because it's likely no one else has the other one.


but i don't think you hit the Ace so often. this shouldn't be a serious problem.
AND if someone hits two pair or a low set he will probably think that you only have toppair (and not topset), so you will get paid to the maximum if this happens.

     
  13-May-09, 19:35   #26
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Fr3nChi 
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Posted by fcumred:
Overall profit made in a hand with AA is much lower then overall loss with AA in a hand.


Utter utter utter rubbish....

WHere on gods earth did you get that statistic from..

I've heard some complete tosh in my life but that ranks up there with the best of them.

If you have AA you are likely to win 75% of the time.. That means you will win more times than you lose with AA. Thats a FACT...


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Posted by Fr3nChi:
. The only hand u are scared off while holding AK is AA and KK and even if some1 has KK u still have 3 outs for ur A.


Are you living in cuckoo land ?

Any pocket pair is ahead of you.

I think you miss the fact that yes, 50% of the time you will hit. You happen to forget that 50% of the time you will miss. So therefore if you were to go all in 100 times with AK against pocket 2s you would lose 50% of them.

That is not profitable.


I meant avg profit made with AA is much lower then avg losses with AA.

Yes u will only win 50% of them, that way u can play super aggressive and win pots without even hitting anything because 1) ppl put u on high pockets 2) If I have AK vs QQ it's like 48% to 52% meaning it's basically a coinflip preflop. so AK is a coinflip agaisnt QQ which is a very strong pocket pair and AK not even a made hand yet.

Do u digg ?

Posted by MANUEDO:
It's obvious that I prefer, as you all, AA preflop.
Lots of possibilities: check ( very dangerous ), slow play ( dangerous ), minimum raise, 3bet raise,all in and more.
I'm happy when I see AK suited preflop too, less when I bump my face against AA Big Smile

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Evry1 prefers AA preflop because it is the best hand preflop. But poker is not just about how u play preflop, it's about ur preflop game, flop reads/game, turn reads/game, and river reads/game.

Posted by thpe94ad:
I know that Doyle Brunson prefers AK to AA, but in an all-in situation preflop, I think everyone prefers AA


Obviously in an allin situation preflop u prefer having A's any1 would but that only happens when ur opponent has KK and sometimes QQ.

Posted by r1z0r3:
i'd want AA all the time, i'll just go all in all the time Big Smile


Just like I said u don't make much profit with them If u go ALLin all the time chances of some1 calling u is ... so u might of won like 1.5 to 10BB.

Posted by Raggamann:
Posted by racpxt:
And it's harder to get paid with AA when another A hits on the flop, because it's likely no one else has the other one.


but i don't think you hit the Ace so often. this shouldn't be a serious problem.
AND if someone hits two pair or a low set he will probably think that you only have toppair (and not topset), so you will get paid to the maximum if this happens.


How often does this happen ? When ever I hit top set with A I get no money except this one time flop was A95 rainbow no draws xcept may b a gutshot but highly unlikely so I check he checks turn 10. I bet he raised I push he calls. River was a 5 and he had pocket 5's Sad

     
  13-May-09, 19:43   #27
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AA is always miles ahead id rather play QQ than AK (although id play both) i think you know where you are with a pocket pair and as long as you think about any draws you'll be fine. Dollar Dollar

     
  13-May-09, 19:56   #28
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T3ddyKGB 

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AA of course and my favorite to play against is AK Smile as good as no chance to lose vs AK.
its nice to get AK allthough i always have a bad feeling with this hand.

     
  13-May-09, 20:08   #29
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Fr3nChi 
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Posted by xxxbchxxx:
AA is always miles ahead id rather play QQ than AK (although id play both) i think you know where you are with a pocket pair and as long as you think about any draws you'll be fine. Dollar Dollar


I prefer AK vs QQ for 2 reasons. AK vs QQ is a coin flip so its basically 50/50 chance to win with either but if AK does hit then QQ is dominated very little chance for QQ to come bak. QQ is only slightly ahead. If I don't hit the flop I can fold QQ is harder to fold.

Posted by T3ddyKGB:
AA of course and my favorite to play against is AK Smile as good as no chance to lose vs AK.
its nice to get AK allthough i always have a bad feeling with this hand.


Obviously AA vs AK u would want AA. But I'm not talking about these hands against each other I'm just talking of how u play these hands and which u prefer and y.

Edited by Fr3nChi (13 May 2009 @ 20:26 GMT)


     
  13-May-09, 23:39   #30
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drewey07 
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It depends on the situation, you can win BIG pots with AA, depending on your opponent, and whether its a sng or not.

examples:

when pre flop play domianates the game... such as in SNGS, when should be getting most of your money in pre-flop, aces are always a massive favourite.

any situation you are playing agaisnt a weak player, and are able to get all your money in either before, or ON the flop.

Also, against a nitty opponent, you should opt to check/fold once the board gets scary which people dont do.

you wont loose more than you should with aces if you play them properly given the situation...efven in higher variance games, where you will still win a large % of the time.

Edited by drewey07 (13 May 2009 @ 23:54 GMT)


     
  13-May-09, 23:51   #31
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Lurk3r 
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I prefer AA even though i never win much with it, because its a hand that can be difficult to get action with AND win. i play AA very aggresively in most circumstances because i dont want to get drawn out on. AK i dont play nearly as aggresively and i dont like to go all in with it pre flop in cash games.

i prefer KK to both though Big Smile Big Smile

     
  14-May-09, 17:40   #32
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Raggamann 
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Posted by Fr3nChi:
Posted by Raggamann:
Posted by racpxt:
And it's harder to get paid with AA when another A hits on the flop, because it's likely no one else has the other one.


but i don't think you hit the Ace so often. this shouldn't be a serious problem.
AND if someone hits two pair or a low set he will probably think that you only have toppair (and not topset), so you will get paid to the maximum if this happens.


How often does this happen ? When ever I hit top set with A I get no money except this one time flop was A95 rainbow no draws xcept may b a gutshot but highly unlikely so I check he checks turn 10. I bet he raised I push he calls. River was a 5 and he had pocket 5's Sad


of course not very often, but
as i just said, you don't even hit the Ace very often, but IF you do it doesn't mean you will never get paid out, because every hand that is better than a pair will will pay.
most times of course you won't hit and there will be no one who has something better than a pair or a draw (or both).

     
  14-May-09, 19:46   #33
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shokaku 

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Posted by xxxbchxxx:
i think you know where you are with a pocket pair and as long as you think about any draws you'll be fine. Dollar Dollar

There are those nasty things called sets!

     
  20-May-09, 16:10   #34
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vinkri 
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What a weird question, anyway!

Yes, you can get the nu flush with A-K, or a straight...
But you can get a straight with A-3 offsuit, as well as the nu flush if it's the ace's color... Thumbs Down

     
  20-May-09, 16:12   #35
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SpeedMix 
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AA like the second comment said is more profitable in long run, so .... pointless topic !

     
  20-May-09, 19:47   #36
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ViperX 
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Well, AA is a made hand while AK isn't. It's simple, AA just has to be more profitable in a long run. AK is worthless even against a pair of 22 if you don't hit anything on the board... Smile

     
  20-May-09, 22:59   #37
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rugmuncher68 
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inmy opinion people place far to much emphasis on ak,its one of the hands that costs me the most in the short time ive been playing,give me the preflop nuts every time !!

     
  20-May-09, 23:10   #38
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Fr3nChi 
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Posted by rugmuncher68:
inmy opinion people place far to much emphasis on ak,its one of the hands that costs me the most in the short time ive been playing,give me the preflop nuts every time !!


It cost u the most cuz u made it cost u the most. I don't no if u've heard of smallball poker. U can limp with AK and u can raise with AK. It cost u more cuz u couldn't let go of it. but imagine letting go of AA that's y I say u win small pots with Aces and lose big 1's

     
  20-May-09, 23:13   #39
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Mucking 

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Posted by Matuonmies:
I bet he made this thread only because of mob points.
I think you should go all-in pre-flop when you have less chips than 13xBB of course its a good start.
But id rather take any of high pairs than AKs.


What kind of answer is that?

What if he really wanted to ask what people like as startinghands.. And if he really care about Poker?

And when we are at it! whats up with your answer:
I think you should go all-in pre-flop when you have less chips than 13xBB of course its a good start.


Did you just want to fill something in to get your points?

     
  21-May-09, 00:44   #40
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GeneYuss 

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Better question, Ace King Offsuit or Pocket Jacks? I'd go with ace king offsuit because I've lost a lot with JJ.

     
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