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  13-May-09, 10:01   #1
Wich way is the best way to play poker for you? 0 
r1z0r3 

Joined: Feb '08
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Age: 30 (M)
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Like the topic says wich way is best for you. I've been playing now for a couple of years and haven't had the luck of building up my bankroll, so i'm considering changing my game. My game is really wierd and confusing wich i think is good, but i allways get bust when im running good against 22-99 vs my AA KK Sad

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  13-May-09, 10:38   #2
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racpxt 
Joined: Apr '09
Location: Portugal
Age: 38 (M)
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In 2 years there is no luck, just statistic. Probably is your game that has to change.
Fold weak hands. Bet strong the good ones.

Some people believe to be playing good, but they often lose a lot of money playing trap hands, weak A's or K's, and speculative hands out of position. Review your game and study a little more.

If you are playing good poker for a long time and being unlucky, then it's very likely you are not playing good.

     
  13-May-09, 10:48   #3
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r1z0r3 

Joined: Feb '08
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Posted by racpxt:
In 2 years there is no luck, just statistic. Probably is your game that has to change.
Fold weak hands. Bet strong the good ones.

Some people believe to be playing good, but they often lose a lot of money playing trap hands, weak A's or K's, and speculative hands out of position. Review your game and study a little more.

If you are playing good poker for a long time and being unlucky, then it's very likely you are not playing good.


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Ok thanks, I played up 1100€ in november but all the money was gone cuz of gifts and new years alcohol Tongue and even then i wasn't lucky. I'm tight but i play against fishes who out flop me when i have big hands Smile just bad timing i guess.

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When i started playing i played tight and it was successfull Tongue maybe i need to go back Smile i only played pairs and suited connectors when the price was right.

Edited by r1z0r3 (13 May 2009 @ 11:05 GMT)


     
  13-May-09, 13:13   #4
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MANUEDO 
Joined: Apr '08
Location: Italy
Age: 53 (M)
Posts: 1955
More ro less I have same problem.
But I consider hold'em only a game and not a way to earn money.
Anyway I would likw to play better and to build a decent bankroll to repay me for several evenings spent online Big Smile Big Smile

     
  13-May-09, 13:24   #5
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doomdy 

Joined: May '08
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There isnt much luck involved if you play over 1 or 2 years to be honest.
If you loose money in a period over 2 years ur game simply isnt good enough (sry to say), this got nothing to do with luck (again sry to say).

     
  13-May-09, 13:26   #6
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1wooley1 
Joined: Mar '09
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 35 (M)
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another thing you might want to think about is try and play smaller pots and outplay your oppents, i also get frustrated when you put ur chips in with the best hand and get outdrawn Aww crap! but i think u can often take down lost of pots post flop, and ur never risking ur whole stack, just fold and slow down if they keep calling you. just bet small and it looks strong, i know alot of peoplewont agree with this strategy but as long as you know when to shut it down and when to continue bettin on turn a river it can work,

     
  13-May-09, 13:32   #7
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r1z0r3 

Joined: Feb '08
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Posted by MANUEDO:
More ro less I have same problem.
But I consider hold'em only a game and not a way to earn money.
Anyway I would likw to play better and to build a decent bankroll to repay me for several evenings spent online Big Smile Big Smile


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Ok Tongue iam probably gonna tighten up my game a little bit... and start to raise more, im determined to make a living on poker Smile so far i've won more then i've lost Tongue

     
  13-May-09, 13:36   #8
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Dellbo99 
Joined: Feb '08
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Posted by racpxt:
In 2 years there is no luck, just statistic. Probably is your game that has to change.
Fold weak hands. Bet strong the good ones.

Some people believe to be playing good, but they often lose a lot of money playing trap hands, weak A's or K's, and speculative hands out of position. Review your game and study a little more.

If you are playing good poker for a long time and being unlucky, then it's very likely you are not playing good.


wise but harsh words - medicine time Blink

I play an overall tight game with some laggy tendencies at the 6max cash tables - about a 20/17 style overall but that can vary quite a bit from session to session.

On the rare occasions I play torneys I play very tight early on ( probably about 10/6 ) and open up more and more as the blinds increase and stealing becomes more important.

I am a winning player at both - but I only play low stakes,

I'd love to play like Durrrr but I'm just not good enough to play that loose and be profitable.

     
  13-May-09, 13:37   #9
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doomdy 

Joined: May '08
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Some basic rules (maybe it helps)

Try NOT to limp.
If you decide to play ur cards, play agressiv.
If itsnot good enough to raise, fold preflop.
Never ever slowplay (only with the nuts)
Let ur oponent make the decision not you, so raise/bet/reraise.
Very important ---> position.

Offcourse the list is much to short and blablabla but maybe it helps a littl Smile

     
  13-May-09, 14:01   #10
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r1z0r3 

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Posted by doomdy:
Some basic rules (maybe it helps)

Try NOT to limp.
If you decide to play ur cards, play agressiv.
If itsnot good enough to raise, fold preflop.
Never ever slowplay (only with the nuts)
Let ur oponent make the decision not you, so raise/bet/reraise.
Very important ---> position.

Offcourse the list is much to short and blablabla but maybe it helps a littl Smile




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thats how i play, i can slowplay a little to often and limp... but everyone has something in there game thats not perfect i guess... just need to work on that...

     
  13-May-09, 14:04   #11
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pierduwonie 
Joined: Mar '09
Location: Poland
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Agreed with @up. When i have learned to raise or fold my bankroll grew up like crazy ;D Especially after turn i didn't know what to do. This was the my weakest point. I decided to play very very agressive after flop when my hand has been made or fold trash (like AK missed flop). Hands only worth to play in my opinion after missed flop are very strong flush draws and oesd or both. But do NEVER EVER play those hands against more than one opponent because your chance to get outs are getting lower.

     
  13-May-09, 14:47   #12
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r1z0r3 

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Posted by pierduwonie:
Agreed with @up. When i have learned to raise or fold my bankroll grew up like crazy ;D Especially after turn i didn't know what to do. This was the my weakest point. I decided to play very very agressive after flop when my hand has been made or fold trash (like AK missed flop). Hands only worth to play in my opinion after missed flop are very strong flush draws and oesd or both. But do NEVER EVER play those hands against more than one opponent because your chance to get outs are getting lower.


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Sounds like a good way to play...

     
  13-May-09, 14:54   #13
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Guiron 
Joined: May '09
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I am new here, but this is how I have been playing for the last couple of years on pokerstars (avr. ROI of 9% out of 7.178 S&G's) with the following tactic:

Start the first few rounds on the table super agressive (only playing top 3 hands).
After a few rounds play like a wizard: tight agressive.
Once you have won (meaning 1,5x your starting stack) you can play (a little bit) looser.
And with looser I mean call once in a while with a low pair when a tight player raises or try
and limp in with 7/9s and see if you can or bluff or hit.

Just my 2 cents. Cool

     
  13-May-09, 15:00   #14
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r1z0r3 

Joined: Feb '08
Location: Sweden
Age: 30 (M)
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Posted by Guiron:
I am new here, but this is how I have been playing for the last couple of years on pokerstars (avr. ROI of 9% out of 7.178 S&G's) with the following tactic:

Start the first few rounds on the table super agressive (only playing top 3 hands).
After a few rounds play like a wizard: tight agressive.
Once you have won (meaning 1,5x your starting stack) you can play (a little bit) looser.
And with looser I mean call once in a while with a low pair when a tight player raises or try
and limp in with 7/9s and see if you can or bluff or hit.

Just my 2 cents. Cool


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Ok thx, thats how i usually play my sng too Smile what do u mean with ROI 9% out of 7.178?

     
  13-May-09, 15:11   #15
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racpxt 
Joined: Apr '09
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Other issue some people underestimate is table selection and opponent playing styles.
The best way to get profit from medium/low stakes games is to play tight-aggressive in loose tables with big average pots. In a table with 3+ calling stations you don't need to be tricky, play straightforward and you will get paid. With bad players paying your bets all the time you will get more bad beats, but will be paid enough to don't even care about them.

Very tight tables are also profitable, you will steal a lot of pots, if you get action then you're facing a strong hand for sure, so must of the time you'll have to lay down, when don't a big pot will be yours most of the time. These are not as profitable or easier to find as loose tables, but are easier to play.

     
  13-May-09, 15:16   #16
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r1z0r3 

Joined: Feb '08
Location: Sweden
Age: 30 (M)
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Posted by racpxt:
Other issue some people underestimate is table selection and opponent playing styles.
The best way to get profit from medium/low stakes games is to play tight-aggressive in loose tables with big average pots. In a table with 3+ calling stations you don't need to be tricky, play straightforward and you will get paid. With bad players paying your bets all the time you will get more bad beats, but will be paid enough to don't even care about them.

Very tight tables are also profitable, you will steal a lot of pots, if you get action then you're facing a strong hand for sure, so must of the time you'll have to lay down, when don't a big pot will be yours most of the time. These are not as profitable or easier to find as loose tables, but are easier to play.


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I like to play against the tight players, its just raise everytime and get away when they call ur continuation bet...

     
  13-May-09, 15:34   #17
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GeneYuss 

Joined: Jan '08
Location: Canada
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I like to play a lot of hands. Like 35-40% is good at 6 handed. If they put the pressure on me then I find another table. I just try to play in position and have a slightly loose image so I get paid off when I have a good hand. I often get called a fish now but that's after I take someone's stack Smile

     
  13-May-09, 15:51   #18
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doomdy 

Joined: May '08
Location: Netherlands
Age: 49 (M)
Posts: 6197
Posted by Guiron:
I am new here, but this is how I have been playing for the last couple of years on pokerstars (avr. ROI of 9% out of 7.178 S&G's) with the following tactic:

Welcome too the MOB Cool
Wow over 7,000 games thats a lot, 9% u say, wot average stack, i am curious Smile

     
  13-May-09, 18:38   #19
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B1gfoot 

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Location: United Kingdom
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OK, for me its LAG by far, but to do so I have to drop limits as im playing to high for my BR so on the big boy tables I tend to play TAG, well my image is TAG, im a bit of a manic and very unpredictable and ill let you know I can play absolute crap the same way ill play my AA, this way i keep players intrested so can get value on my good hands. I used to scare ppl id sit and within 30 mis or so ppl would just fold to me.
Position is IMO the most improtant thing to be aware ofbut must admit I do laps at times.
I also love to pick on Mr "X" i can sit at one tabl happy knowing im just playing pritty much 1 player an milking him dry :}.
the thin i always am is aggresive, i dont sit waiting for AA AK and all that s**t, i play poker im playing you and I know you only play X-X in that seat, my 2 7 will get you to fold :}, and if it doesnt ill trap you.

     
  14-May-09, 00:45   #20
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drewey07 
Joined: Oct '08
Location: Australia
Age: 33 (M)
Posts: 17
your a loosing player if you've been playing for 2 years.

advise i recommend is all PREFLOP. Only play top pocket pairs 99+, and AK. Only play hands like KQ which is really a drawing hand, as a "treat".

Poker isnt about "outplaying" your opponents at this limit, its about "outdrawing them". Play solid hands, and learn to ALWAYS bet the nuts, regardless of situation.

best advise is TIGHTEN UP preflop, and play solid post-flop.

     
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