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  16-May-09, 15:57   #1
EARLY STAGES OF A SIT AND GO IS THIS ALWAYS A PUSH ALLIN 0 
illcurtisthem 
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PokerStars Game #28260187454: Tournament #164162272, $3.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2009/05/16 16:51:25 CET [2009/05/16 10:51:25 ET]
Table '164162272 1' 10-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 2: Benmouz (2195 in chips)
Seat 3: _CURTIS_them (2405 in chips)
Seat 4: Pa7adin (1440 in chips)
Seat 5: UMAGA68 (1470 in chips)
Seat 6: Mazze007 (1410 in chips)
Seat 7: DAVESFLOP (1070 in chips)
Seat 8: Marlborough6 (3295 in chips)
Seat 9: jackasss1960 (280 in chips)
Seat 10: mirek26.1 (1435 in chips)
Pa7adin: posts small blind 15
UMAGA68: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to _CURTIS_them [Js Jc]
Mazze007: folds
DAVESFLOP: raises 60 to 90
Marlborough6: raises 60 to 150
jackasss1960: folds
mirek26.1: folds
Benmouz: folds
_CURTIS_them: raises 360 to 510
Pa7adin: folds
UMAGA68: folds
DAVESFLOP: raises 560 to 1070 and is all-in
Marlborough6: calls 920
_CURTIS_them: raises 1335 to 2405 and is all-in
Marlborough6: calls 1335
*** FLOP *** [6h 5s Kh]
*** TURN *** [6h 5s Kh] Jack of diamonds
*** RIVER *** [6h 5s Kh Jd] 5 of hearts
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Marlborough6: shows [As 8c] (a pair of Fives)
_CURTIS_them: shows [Js Jc] (a full house, Jacks full of Fives)
_CURTIS_them collected 2670 from side pot
DAVESFLOP: shows [Ah Ks] (two pair, Kings and Fives)
_CURTIS_them collected 3255 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 5925 Main pot 3255. Side pot 2670. | Rake 0
Board [6h 5s Kh Jd 5h]
Seat 2: Benmouz folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: _CURTIS_them (button) showed [Js Jc] and won (5925) with a full house, Jacks full of Fives
Seat 4: Pa7adin (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: UMAGA68 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: Mazze007 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: DAVESFLOP showed [Ah Ks] and lost with two pair, Kings and Fives
Seat 8: Marlborough6 showed [As 8c] and lost with a pair of Fives
Seat 9: jackasss1960 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 10: mirek26.1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

couple hands later i get this one is this borderline or is it about 50% fold 50% call


PokerStars Game #28260348532: Tournament #164162272, $3.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2009/05/16 16:57:12 CET [2009/05/16 10:57:12 ET]
Table '164162272 1' 10-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 2: Benmouz (1545 in chips)
Seat 3: _CURTIS_them (5950 in chips)
Seat 4: Pa7adin (1350 in chips)
Seat 5: UMAGA68 (1275 in chips)
Seat 6: Mazze007 (965 in chips)
Seat 8: Marlborough6 (2580 in chips)
Seat 10: mirek26.1 (1335 in chips)
Mazze007: posts small blind 25
Marlborough6: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to _CURTIS_them [Td Th]
mirek26.1: folds
Benmouz: calls 50
_CURTIS_them: raises 200 to 250
Pa7adin: folds
UMAGA68: raises 1025 to 1275 and is all-in
Mazze007: folds
Marlborough6: folds
Benmouz: raises 270 to 1545 and is all-in
_CURTIS_them: folds
Uncalled bet (270) returned to Benmouz
*** FLOP *** [6h Kd 2d]
*** TURN *** [6h Kd 2d] 8 of clubs
*** RIVER *** [6h Kd 2d 8c] 7 of clubs
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Benmouz: shows [Ah Ks] (a pair of Kings)
UMAGA68: shows [Js Jc] (a pair of Jacks)
Benmouz collected 2875 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2875 | Rake 0
Board [6h Kd 2d 8c 7c]
Seat 2: Benmouz showed [Ah Ks] and won (2875) with a pair of Kings
Seat 3: _CURTIS_them folded before Flop
Seat 4: Pa7adin folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: UMAGA68 (button) showed [Js Jc] and lost with a pair of Jacks
Seat 6: Mazze007 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: Marlborough6 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 10: mirek26.1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)



Edited by illcurtisthem (16 May 2009 @ 16:01 GMT)


     
  16-May-09, 16:13   #2
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awood88 
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You did everything right as far as I can see. You understood that early on people are playing loose to gain a chip lead. You were kind of priced in with the jacks first hand especially with the caller. Second hand you had to fold the tens with two all in before you and only 250 of your own in a 3000 pot.

     
  16-May-09, 16:19   #3
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shokaku 

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With JJ and TT you can't expect more than a coinflip. And if you are behind, you are drawing to two outs. Being up against multiple opponents makes things only worse. So fold those hands most of the time if you run into so much resistance.

     
  16-May-09, 16:27   #4
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doomdy 

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Wow both hands are debatable, i had a quick look....
Early stage (1st hand) risk whole tourney with JJ?

2nd hand: Ur big stack against 2 oponents with TT hmmm.

I will have a closer look later on. (Have to go Smile)
(2 difficult hands imo)

     
  16-May-09, 18:08   #5
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B1gfoot 

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1st hand, semi-donk, sorry, who you pushing off with that re-re-raise? its just a call pre-flop there, but you got lucky and got to play on whilst the better player lucks out. feel sorry for dave.
Dave did it all right, kinda, no one gave dave any credit?? serious he represents a hand here you put him with AA KK QQ AK AQ, flop comes almost obvious he is strong and getting rid of the flush chases, yet call with that crap, wtf.
2nd hand...thats fine good fold lots of outhers would call, but they are donks.

     
  16-May-09, 18:16   #6
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r1z0r3 

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well well Tongue its debatable, JJ is a big hand but i dont really like it Tongue

     
  16-May-09, 18:46   #7
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paledos 
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Posted by B1gfoot:
1st hand, semi-donk, sorry, who you pushing off with that re-re-raise? its just a call pre-flop there, but you got lucky and got to play on whilst the better player lucks out. feel sorry for dave.
Dave did it all right, kinda, no one gave dave any credit?? serious he represents a hand here you put him with AA KK QQ AK AQ, flop comes almost obvious he is strong and getting rid of the flush chases, yet call with that crap, wtf.
2nd hand...thats fine good fold lots of outhers would call, but they are donks.



I totally agree with you here. But then again it's a $3.00+$0.40 sng. I might have done exactly the same playing a small sng.. you know that your opponents are most likely loose players going all-in with pretty much all face cards.. it's a coin flip but small sng's are pretty much coin flips in general. Especially at PS and other sites that allow Americans.. (this was not meant to be an insult, our dear American friends). Blink

     
  16-May-09, 18:57   #8
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doomdy 

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Ok, so you posted the handhistory, so you get some critisisme Smile (Or not if you played it right)

Well...

1st hand:
Early stage, blinds 15/30, this is problably the 10th hand or sometin.
1 raise, 1 reraise, then you fold or call or even reraise with JJ (also not bad).
After ur reraise, some1 reraises u!
Thats an easy laydown early stage especcially there is also another 1 in the hand (2 oponents).
U went allin wots (with these blinds) a very bad move (sorry to say).
Ok, showdown and u got lucky, ur big stack now Smile

2nd hand:
Still early stage (blinds 25/50), ur the big stack u can try to bully now.
You find TT, 2 players allin before you, if you call its 25% of ur stack, if u call its not a really really really bad call cos if you loose ur still the big stack, if you win ur allmost itm (dont forget its a $3 buyinn so many donks).
But better move is to fold and try to build ur stack with better spots cos ur the bull.
So u made the fold wots a good fold.

So...
First hand: bad played.
Second hand: good fold.

Just my opinion....... Agree

     
  16-May-09, 19:25   #9
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awood88 
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I think there's no doubt about it he had to fold the tens. With two people all in best shape he's in is if he's got eight cards to avoid assuming they both share one over card but he could quite possibly looking at an over pair.

I think the Jacks are more debatable. He's put in 500 and the pots about 2000. It's very early on so there's a chance the first player was being over aggressive to win a large pot. Second player looks weak with a call imo as he's chip leader. there's 500ish more to call so I thinks he's got good odds but if he just calls and a flop comes with just one high card he'd have to fold. So imo he has to raise all in to prevent any scare flops. I wouldn't always say this is right but in this format with those stakes this early on that is the right choice to gain an early chip lead.

     
  16-May-09, 22:08   #10
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Fr3nChi 
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Well u already have 500 in there u can't fold another 500 with pocket J's. Ur push was a good move because if that guy has AJ or may b AQ he would fold because e has to figure out he's beat and with u rasing twice he should of folded cuz if any of u has KK or AA he's dominated.

     
  16-May-09, 22:12   #11
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MANUEDO 
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You took risk on first hand but I don't think you were so wrong.
Maybe you had some information about the way of playing of your oppo's to convince you to push allin in not ideal position on table.
And then, JJ preflop it's really hard to fold

     
  2-Jun-09, 13:16   #12
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alhoyo 
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first one is not well played. you can not risk the whole tournament with JJ in the early stages. the risk assumed is not wealthy with the expected money if this movement

     
  2-Jun-09, 13:42   #13
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Dellbo99 
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I totally agree with doomdy, a 5-bet and a call of a 5-bet, JJ is not a hand you want or need to get involved with. not early on with small blinds.

good fold on second hand though.

     
  2-Jun-09, 14:12   #14
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Presto 

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I wouldn't do that with JJ It's kind off risky... But you got the pot Blink

     
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