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  11-Jun-09, 23:02   #1
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bobcalderin 
Joined: May '09
Location: Guatemala
Age: 52 (M)
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Why the system eliminates 85% of cases the player with fewer chips in an all-in

     
  11-Jun-09, 23:45   #2
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Jodoli 
Joined: Apr '09
Location: Portugal
Age: 33 (M)
Posts: 469
This is one of my theories too! Lol I trust in online poker rooms because they do not have any interest in making one player or another win, because their profit is the rake. But what I can say is that in some rooms, some freerolls or free sit&gos it is very clear that the player with more chips win almost all the time with miravculous cards in the river. The explanation i can see is that they want the sits to be fast, it is reasonable, but prove that they can control. It scares me sometimes!

     
  12-Jun-09, 00:13   #3
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doomdy 

Joined: May '08
Location: Netherlands
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Posts: 6197
This is bull and simply not true.

     
  12-Jun-09, 00:28   #4
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awood88 
Joined: Feb '08
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 31 (M)
Posts: 1885
If anything I'd say the person with the least chips wins more. Seems like this from my prospective although I highly doubt this is actually true. This would make more sense as it would generate more rake in a cash game. In theory it would benefit the worse players, keep more players at the site for longer and lead to more tourneys and more rake. But I don't believe they would do this and I also don't know how the sites could possibly fix the cards this way.

     
  12-Jun-09, 01:18   #5
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Mayones 
Joined: Nov '08
Location: Poland
Age: 30 (M)
Posts: 98
Well, I have many, many situations when I had a small stack and win allin with a big stack. So personally, I don't think that your theory duys is true

     
  12-Jun-09, 01:23   #6
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bughime 
Joined: Nov '08
Location: Romania
Age: 29 (M)
Posts: 49
It's easy to fix a nice little river card but I honesty don't think they do it.
Players get this feeling because they always find it easier to remember that nasty spectacular suckout and they usually forget when they sucked out or when they were a favorite to win and actually won.


     
  12-Jun-09, 01:49   #7
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males 

Joined: May '08
Location: Portugal
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that is simply stupid
im telling you the reason why you see a lot of short stacks in the end of the tournment lose with the big stacks. at the beggining and the middle of the tournment if anyone goes allin and you have like aj, you fold it right there.but in the end, if you have a big stack and some small stacked guy goes allin you call immediatly. so there are better chances when a short stack goes allin to be joined by one or 2 players.and the allin is a coin flip for most of the times..so thats why u think that

     
  12-Jun-09, 02:34   #8
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xxxbchxxx 

Joined: Nov '08
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 43 (M)
Posts: 2194
Posted by Jodoli:
This is one of my theories too! Lol I trust in online poker rooms because they do not have any interest in making one player or another win, because their profit is the rake. But what I can say is that in some rooms, some freerolls or free sit&gos it is very clear that the player with more chips win almost all the time with miravculous cards in the river. The explanation i can see is that they want the sits to be fast, it is reasonable, but prove that they can control. It scares me sometimes!


This is bull and simply not true "doomdy"

Yeah i cant see this being true it would serve no perpose as i can see it they would just alienate people and lets face it in freerolls and such they (the people who play them) would be the ideal group of players that a site would be most interested in hooking as they will be the next generation of player on there site?
To get the backs up of these guys will only see them go to other sites and loose income in the long run...
I know it would do the same to seasoned players but to do it at all would be suicide for any site.

     
  12-Jun-09, 02:39   #9
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weemanjcb 
Joined: Mar '09
Location: Venezuela, Bolivarian Republic of
Age: 37 (M)
Posts: 60
I too have realized that and not that will happen, although I do not think, but probably it may be "all in a tournament a few chips left and almost never goes with good cards

     
  12-Jun-09, 06:08   #10
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shokaku 

Joined: May '08
Location: Germany
Age: 55 (M)
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Short stacks have to do something, and push a wide range of cards. So their average handstrength is lower than that of the callers.

     
  12-Jun-09, 07:00   #11
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fcumred 

Joined: Apr '08
Location: United Kingdom
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Posted by shokaku:
Short stacks have to do something, and push a wide range of cards. So their average handstrength is lower than that of the callers.



are you serious ?

The majority of times a short stack shoves there is a big stack willing to gamble with any two cards hoping to steal a few extra chips.


     
  12-Jun-09, 07:54   #12
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MrMan 

Joined: Sep '08
Location: Norway
Age: 49 (M)
Posts: 336
It is an myte.

When people is elimiated from a tournament (and that happens alot) is very often to a big/bigger stack. This gives the players an impression that big stack only wins and short stack loose.

But the bigger stack looses also but is not eliminated before late in the tourney when there are few players left.

     
  12-Jun-09, 09:03   #13
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thpe94ad 

Joined: Feb '09
Location: Denmark
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Bigger stacks are more likely to call you, and therefore more likely to kick you out. they always have at least 25% no matter what cards you have.

     
  12-Jun-09, 09:12   #14
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strazdas 
Joined: May '09
Location: Lithuania
Age: 42 (M)
Posts: 1
Actually, I've notices quite the opposite in the action poker.
Dunno the percentage, but shortstack with worse hand wins on the river most of the cases.

Given that people have different opinion, this just might be usual luck factor Smile

If you think about what is beneficial for the poker rooms - it is clearly to have short stack in the game. He will play more and generate more rake. Big stack is also unlikely to leave Smile

     
  12-Jun-09, 09:16   #15
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doomdy 

Joined: May '08
Location: Netherlands
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Posts: 6197
Posted by shokaku:
Short stacks have to do something, and push a wide range of cards. So their average handstrength is lower than that of the callers.


+1

The question mentioned is about ''Is online poker rigged or not''
And the answer is: No online poker isnot rigged, if you think so, ur just a newbie or blame the site for all ur bad beats.....

     
  12-Jun-09, 09:47   #16
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Davoodoo 

Joined: Apr '08
Location: Finland
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Posts: 1612
A few days ago i was down to 40 (yes 40 in tournament chips dont ask how i got into that situation)... starting stack was 1500 6 man-sng, but i was all in and all in and all in and finally i won the whole sng so this is total BS.

     
  12-Jun-09, 10:36   #17
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DaneMitic 

Joined: Apr '09
Location: Germany
Age: 33 (M)
Posts: 605
The whole world is rigged, lets move to another planet.

     
  12-Jun-09, 11:01   #18
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daverj 
Joined: Apr '09
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 32 (M)
Posts: 199
Posted by Davoodoo:
A few days ago i was down to 40 (yes 40 in tournament chips dont ask how i got into that situation)... starting stack was 1500 6 man-sng, but i was all in and all in and all in and finally i won the whole sng so this is total BS.


ive been there before, although it was more like down to 1k chips blinds at 8k or something Tongue.


also one time im playing an sng with an afk guy who last about 20 hands with me heads up wtf? Aww crap!

     
  12-Jun-09, 11:37   #19
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Mucking 

Joined: Oct '08
Location: Denmark
Age: 35 (M)
Posts: 198
Posted by Jodoli:
This is one of my theories too! Lol I trust in online poker rooms because they do not have any interest in making one player or another win, because their profit is the rake. But what I can say is that in some rooms, some freerolls or free sit&gos it is very clear that the player with more chips win almost all the time with miravculous cards in the river. The explanation i can see is that they want the sits to be fast, it is reasonable, but prove that they can control. It scares me sometimes!


Did you just loose to a bigstack when you wrote your post? - Sounds like it!

Both you and me know thats not true.. Or have you never donked up as a short stack on a table? Smile

     
  12-Jun-09, 11:45   #20
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T3ddyKGB 

Joined: Oct '08
Location: Germany
Age: 45 (M)
Posts: 2023
ahhh i missed the rigged threads - always fun Big Smile

to the afk guy...just raise lol ?

     
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