Joined: Dec '08
Location: Australia
Age: 39 (M)
Posts: 17
i did the bankrollmob no deposit bonus at fulltilt lost that money deposited 100usd got it up2 $1480 usd then i get email saying we have found that u have 2 accounts we have closed your current one and reinstated your old one WHICH i had not used for years and forgot even had which had 0.26 cents it just be aware guys they are arseholes there and low life kunts wont even reply to my emails
------------ to be honest i thought my old account there was a play money account but i had obviously won money threw a freeroll still hoping to sort it out with them and help from the team at bankroll mob would be much appreciated my bankroll name is marc b munday or name was marcmunday as i said to them why would my details and user name be simular if i had anything to hide
Joined: Oct '08
Location: Germany
Age: 49 (M)
Posts: 2025
ok it clearly says that you may not have 2 accounts. but if its the identical address and you havent used it for years then its just a joke. why didnt they close the old one with $0.26 instead. i thought they do close accounts who havent been used for a year or more?! guess it depends on how tolerant FT is in this case. GL anyways and keep us up to date !
Posted by marcmunday: i did the bankrollmob no deposit bonus at fulltilt lost that money deposited 100usd got it up2 $1480 usd then i get email saying we have found that u have 2 accounts we have closed your current one and reinstated your old one WHICH i had not used for years and forgot even had which had 0.26 cents it just be aware guys they are arseholes there and low life kunts wont even reply to my emails
------------ to be honest i thought my old account there was a play money account but i had obviously won money threw a freeroll still hoping to sort it out with them and help from the team at bankroll mob would be much appreciated my bankroll name is marc b munday or name was marcmunday as i said to them why would my details and user name be simular if i had anything to hide
erm, lets just get this right.
You opened a second account knowing fine well its against the rules of FTP to do so.
WHen you created the second account you would have to have clicked that you accept the terms and conditions, which clearly state that having a second account is forbidden.
If you then go to the terms and conditions of BRM you will find that is also clearly states that to qualify for the no deposit bonus you cannot have had any account with FTP of any kind, play money or real.
You have broken the terms of FTP and you have broken the rules of Barnkrollmob.. and now you want BRM to help you sort it out knowing fine well its your own fault, you lied on your registration to FTP and you lied to BRM when you applied for the bankroll.
And you are lying now, because to win in freerolls you have to create a real money account. If you dont have one you cannot play any game that has real money as a prize so that tale that you thought it was a play money account is quite simply utter BS.
You are very lucky you didnt have all your accounts frozen at FTP and banned from FTP for all time.
You are also very lucky you havent been banned from BRM for attempted fraud, because what you have done is precisely that..
I would quit whilst I was ahead if I were you...
The fact you've lost that money is perhaps hard to swallow, but in truth you should never have had the money to start with, and without what you got fraudulently off BRM you wouldnt have won a cent anyway,...
that money wont be taken by FTP. It will be returned to its rightful owners ie the players you took it off. Players who lost money to someone who shouldnt have been involved in the game.
Harsh - yes it is harsh, but those are the facts, and you have no one else to blame but yourself.
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Posted by T3ddyKGB: ok it clearly says that you may not have 2 accounts. but if its the identical address and you havent used it for years then its just a joke. why didnt they close the old one with $0.26 instead. i thought they do close accounts who havent been used for a year or more?! guess it depends on how tolerant FT is in this case. GL anyways and keep us up to date !
Why should they close the first account down. Its the second one thats been fraudulently created..
The money will be returned to its rightful owners. Those that lost their money to a player that shouldnt even have been playing in the first place... SOmeone who tried to con the system for his own ends..
Honest players shouldnt lose out to the activities of dishonest ones.
Joined: Oct '08
Location: Germany
Age: 49 (M)
Posts: 2025
yea thats true...forgot about BRM.
of course your not allowed to have multiple accounts and normaly you have no chance to get back your money. but lets say you had an account on FT 2-3 years ago (usualy they delete accounts after a long while if not in use and in this case he woudnt even betray BRM),and you decide to play again on this client - same address, same name etc... so you didnt intend to betray anyone by this.
i find there is a difference if i have multiple accounts with diff address to compete in a tourny with more than one account, or sit down with 2 accounts on a cashtable to commit fraud/money laundering or whatever. or if i made a 2nd account with same address after years not playin on FT, plus he thought it was a playmoney account! thats why i say i doubt he intend to betray anyone and its up to FT how tolerate they handle this case - normaly no chance (as you say the T&C do not allow multiple acc´s) not quite sure tho if they delete accounts after 1-2years ? anynoe knows?
edit: i once almost made an second account on my first pokerclient by mistake...i simply skipped the part with multiple accounts in the T&C´s. ofc my own fault - good thing i had some questions so i asked the support about a 2nd account too. all i wanna say it doesnt mean that someone intend to do that on purpose to commit fraud...things can happen.
Joined: Mar '09
Location: Belgium
Age: 37 (M)
Posts: 9
If they can prove that $1400 was obtained by fraud, then i can understand they can just take whatever is left in your account. But in this case, do they even have the right to just "take" the money? Some kind of fine would make sense, but i doubt they have the right to take as they please..... (I haven't fully read their terms and conditions , but i think this would go against any western lawsystem)
Joined: Dec '08
Location: Australia
Age: 39 (M)
Posts: 17
i said ot them i made an honest mistake i wasnt aware i still had an account as i had requested it to be closed a long time ago but instead they have not deactived it and took my 1480 that i earned fair and square in omaha tourney and sngs and rings omaha im still waiting on a reply from them
------------ its not like iv been using both accounts i havent used the old one in over a year ffs
------------ how the hell can i fight them tho i cant even find an online gaming ombudsman for fulltilt which they should have by law
------------ how the f**k am i frauding the system you dickhead i earnt the money playing in tourney and never colluded with anyone
Joined: May '08
Location: Germany
Age: 42 (M)
Posts: 1118
you violated the TOS of full tilt poker and the bankrollmob bonus conditions.
did support tell you, you will not get that money on your illegal account back? no? so you should just patiently wait for their reply and stop the slander till then.
usually they swap the money on your illegal account to your legal account; but it might take a while. one email is enough in which you explain the situation.
sometimes they keep the money tho, as fcumred pointed out already. since you illegally received a no deposit bonus i have no clue how it will turn out for you in the end.
Joined: Dec '08
Location: Australia
Age: 39 (M)
Posts: 17
im happy to pay them back that money i dont see why i should lose my whole br that i got ligit i made an honest mistake and instead of sorting it out with me they are ignoring me
for instance if i was playing from marcmunday and marc b munday same time yes id say my bad luck but since of had marc b munday i have not played from marcmunday im clearly not using 2 accounts
Joined: May '08
Location: Germany
Age: 42 (M)
Posts: 1118
Posted by marcmunday: im happy to pay them back that money i dont see why i should lose my whole br that i got ligit i made an honest mistake and instead of sorting it out with me they are ignoring me
for instance if i was playing from marcmunday and marc b munday same time yes id say my bad luck but since of had marc b munday i have not played from marcmunday im clearly not using 2 accounts
beeing quite active on the full tilt forums i read threads with double account issues fairly often. it can really take a few weeks till they answer you. be patient. spamming them or write angry emails will not help your case.
as a matter of fact you received the free bankroll illegally. unintentionally as you say, but still illegally. i have no clue how full tilt support judges that.
a little update here, after you received a final decision would be appreciated
Joined: Feb '09
Location: Belgium
Age: 34 (M)
Posts: 686
Only thing is that they should at least give your 100$ money back (they can't steal that for u, cause u deposit that). Then, the 1348$, well i dont know if u will get ever anything back. You made a really bad mistake... even if its an unvoluntar.
Joined: Apr '08
Location: Finland
Age: 35 (M)
Posts: 1613
"Full tilt pokers decisions are final in all matters" ... You have AGREED to this so they may close your account whenever they want and take all your money . Be glad they even gave you a reason why the closed it ... its all in the "user agreements" contract
There is a twist to this tale which the original poster perhaps doesnt want anyone to know about.
In fact this whole tale is a complete pack of lies.
Let me explain
Marc B Munday has been playing at FTP for some while now and has indeed won over $1400 on FTP..
What the original poster hasnt told us all, is that his other account Marc B Munday, far from being a play money account like he suggested was in fact a real money account and one that he won over $600 in back in May 2008.
A simple check on official poker rankings confirms that BOTH accounts have had money paid into them, and both have been uised to play real money games, He hadnt just won 26 cents in freeroll money he'd been playing $26 KO SNGs..
Ths oriiginal poster has completely lied here, and knew damn well he'd created an acocunt previously on full tilt. He also knew he'd won well over $600 on there too. One wouldnt be far wrong I suspect, in saying that the account created last year was likewise funded from a no deposit bonus just the same as his second one was..
If you are going to try and cheat to get a free $100 bankroll can I suggest you use a little more intelligence, and secondly when you get caught cheating make sure when you go whining to people about it, you tell a tell which no one can find out about.. Sady you are trying to con people who know alot more about the way pokersites operate than you ever will.
You got caught cheating, and you deserve all you get.
And next time you are going to try cheating.. Use a bit of intelligence and make sure hte usernames are completely different... Marcmunday and Marc B munday are too similar for them not to notice it. In fact you'd have to be pretty stupid to think they wouldnt.
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Posted by marcmunday: i said ot them i made an honest mistake i wasnt aware i still had an account as i had requested it to be closed a long time ago but instead they have not deactived it and took my 1480 that i earned fair and square in omaha tourney and sngs and rings omaha im still waiting on a reply from them
------------ its not like iv been using both accounts i havent used the old one in over a year ffs
------------ how the hell can i fight them tho i cant even find an online gaming ombudsman for fulltilt which they should have by law
------------ how the f**k am i frauding the system you dickhead i earnt the money playing in tourney and never colluded with anyone
1) It wasnt an honest mistake. You lied, just like you are lying to us now. You won $600 on the first account through money which I suspect was another first deposit bonus. I suppose you forgot about that big too.
2) There is no law relating to pokersites. How can you have a law for a site that operates in every single country in the living world. Pokesites may voluntarily sign up to a code of practise, but there is no legal requirement for them to do so. Countries may ask for sites to be members of a code of practise if that pokersites opereates from within its borders, but that is down to the country in which the poker site is based. If FTP is in a country that doesnt insist on affiliation to any omsbudsman or code of practise there is no legal requirement for them to do so..
3) If I go an steal $100 from my next door neighbour and buy 100 lottery tickets and hit the jackpot, then whilst the lottery tickets may have been sold perfectly legally, the fact the money to purchase them was illegal renders any subsequent profits illegal too. Its called benefitting from the proceeds of crime.
So by gaining that $100 which you were not entitled to, you gained access to games you would not otherwise have been in, and therefore you wouldnt have won the money you did. If you didnt have that $100 then you wouldnt have those winnings, and that is the basis on which FTP are working...
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Posted by Tchungpo: Only thing is that they should at least give your 100$ money back (they can't steal that for u, cause u deposit that). Then, the 1348$, well i dont know if u will get ever anything back. You made a really bad mistake... even if its an unvoluntar.
good luck
But he didnt deposit the $100 did he.. He lied and asked someone else to deposit it for him pretending he hadnt got a FTP account when he knew damn well he did..
Joined: Apr '09
Location: Portugal
Age: 44 (M)
Posts: 4827
I think one day i will have that problem too, because when i was younger i used to play and opened some accounts. Recently, when i decided to play for real, i was able to use some of those accounts, but others i don't remember the data. In one of the rooms, i already contacted admin for more than once and they always answer with publicity and marketing. I don't know if its possible to erase one acount in order to create a new one.
Joined: Nov '08
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 47 (M)
Posts: 2194
Wow that’s bad news for you… I have read the other posts here and it seems you have made a grave mistake in opening another account Fulltilt have the right to close your second account. Why don’t you try going down the route T3ddy touched on, Presuming your account had not been used for over a year try and argue the toss with them that it was a genuin mistake and ask nicely to have the cash back. As they have shut the accout already I wouldn't hold out much hope but good luck to you anyway
QUOTE from fcumred that money wont be taken by FTP. It will be returned to its rightful owners ie the players you took it off. Players who lost money to someone who shouldnt have been involved in the game.
Harsh - yes it is harsh, but those are the facts, and you have no one else to blame but yourself.
As stated harsh but true………….
And then to top it off fcumred turned another stone over and pissed all over your parade.......
Posted by Fakiry: I think one day i will have that problem too, because when i was younger i used to play and opened some accounts. Recently, when i decided to play for real, i was able to use some of those accounts, but others i don't remember the data. In one of the rooms, i already contacted admin for more than once and they always answer with publicity and marketing. I don't know if its possible to erase one acount in order to create a new one.
The real problem only occcurs if you have depostied or withdrawn previously from the other account. The moment you request a deposit or a withdrawal they run a check on the username, address, name, email address, postcode, phone number you name it.
If anything flashes up they investigate further. and if htey find previous accounts then you could have problems.
You could well have problems if you ever need to withdraw, but that isnt always the case. Its a risk you are just going to have to take.
I hope OP gets banned from BRM too.
