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I was playing in a freeroll on cake poker.
I had 1200 chips with table average 4000, tourney average 5000 and only very few positions paid.

i was on button and was dealt As9s blind 200, and a guy in mid position who had been raising almost every second hand raises it to 500. i reraise allin ,he calls and shows AcKh, with only two of us in pot

Board shows 5d,7c,9s,Qc,Ah

After the hand that guy says- "Typical fuking cake"
Another guy says- "Typical every online site.
There's nothing random about these RNGs"

I disagree with them, what do you think how much is the difference between real tables and online sites?

Edited by SuperNoob (17 June 2009 @ 19:17 GMT)


     
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AKo vs A9s is 70/30. But people with AK expect to win 100% of the time in that situation. If that does not happen the site is rigged.

     
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Posted by SuperNoob:

what do you think how much is the difference between real tables and online sites?

Its kinda unfair to say in real games you going to see a lot less hands/ph, cant multi and more likely to not go to a showdown..all in all RNG are what they say they are (id guess there are a few dodgy ones)....oh sorry spotted you are playing cake that site is riggeg Big Smile

     
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yes Ak has more chances of winning but we are talking about 1 hand not 50-60 hands, on the same table before that, AK won 5 hands similar to that.
I have been playing for a week at cake and so far i find it no different from other sites.
Hope it stays like that

     
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sadley when folk play poker, some believe its thier god given right to win when they play
premium hands, after birth only 2 things are guarenteed in life ~ TAXES AND DEATH, period!
Poker after a while should teach you humility (gettin kicked with bad beats)
aggressive players exist everywhere, on internet they blame poker sites, players, everything.
The pro's just take your money and appreciate it, and they accept that s**t happens ~ thats why they dont gamble everything.
in real life the aggresivly agressive gambler's (gambler not poker player) stands outside the casino in his pants whinging that you dont get the assholes online they just met in the casino.

also if your hammered (pissed), or on drugs, of plain crazy Aww crap!, or destitute or emotionally imbalenced then you probably wouldnt want to go to a casino ~ but you could turn a computer on
and play poker. next time you meet players like them target them and make thier experience more enjoyable Big Smile
loosers moan ~ winners appreciate

     
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You can be sure at all big networks the RNG are random Thumbs Up

     
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quote: "AKo vs A9s is 70/30. But people with AK expect to win 100% of the time in that situation. If that does not happen the site is rigged."

agreed. i so often see ppl calling till river with AK in hope to his something - too funny. i find AK is overestimated anyways.
not much difference to offline poker.

     
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Well sometimes it's just absurd, dealing 10 10 10 in a row or something, making my full house look like a high card 3

     
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Online poker is the RANDOMEST thing I've ever partaken in, in my life, but If you play well, you come out on top in the long run, every successful player will tell you, no matter what site your at.

     
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ok for a start A9 beating AK not that hard plus they ARE sooo random i mean i had the worst bad beat ok i had 56 and he had AA and he won undelivalble

     
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Poker sites earnings comes from rake .... so where is their interest to use rigged software?

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I think that when we talk about big poker networks or sites it's definitely 100% random cards dealing. I can't imagine any rigged software while the business brings so huge amounts of money... I'm not so sure about very small sites because they have to make a living somehow... well poker is so beautiful because it isn't fully predictible... Smile

     
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A computer can't create truly random numbers, but I think they use truly random sources, like atmospheric noise, to create true randomness.

     
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Posted by magatt966:
Poker sites earnings comes from rake .... so where is their interest to use rigged software?

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There could be an intrest of making it rigged. If you have a fish and he contributes time after time and who makes big pots with small hands, the rake you get from him will be maybe 2X the rake you get from a TAG, and in order for the TAG to win a pot against such a fishy maniac he also has to contribute to the pot. So making sure that the maniac doesn't bust and moves to another site, you could make him win a few hands so his bankroll stays on a break even level, but the rake he produces will give the site a nice extra.

I'm not saying that it is rigged because that would be a lot of work for a small rake fee. But there are reasons that pokersites could profit from rigged games. And I don't think pokersites are willing to put it all on the line by rigging there games. Bad beats are just part of the game.

     
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Remember one very important thing : peoples see only bad luck...
but they never see the luck when it happens : lets take an example :
you play, there is two spades on the flop, you have top pair, top kicker, you bet and you get a call.

turn, no spades, still top pair.. you bet, he calls again...
river, no spades...

u bet, he fold.

but what if a spades had hit... you are beaten. Here you dont see that you have been lucky, cause had straight and flush draw, + a two pair draw, but nothing hits.

You have been lucky, cause much cards would beat you, but none hit. You didn't saw this luck, but thinks that it happens same number of time than bad luck

     
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online poker is totaly random as much as it can be.going all in prefloop is always what if.cant raise out on flop and bluff....poker..is it random...

     
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Yes it as random as one can program a rng Smile

     
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Posted by shokaku:
AKo vs A9s is 70/30. But people with AK expect to win 100% of the time in that situation. If that does not happen the site is rigged.


TRUE
I dont belive a site (a big site) with thousands of players at any one time will be rigged.
As for RNGs the clue is in the name RANDOM, they are because that is what it is programed to do.
You will / should in my opinion find that playing live will be far less random because it will not be a program designed to be random.
I understand what im trying to say i hope you all do?
If not well then im sorry Angry

     
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I think they are not rigged... even if sometimes I am not so sure Big Smile Big Smile

     
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I hear a lot of people call Pokerstars Jokerstars because lots of badbeats but I don't know. Maybe there are just a lot of bad palyers so more bad beats.

     
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