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Joined: Oct '08
Location: Netherlands
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I have vote'd Gamble as it is the way I play especially in hold'em.....but it is a calculated gamble...if that makes any sence
I allways look to see what I can aforde to lose before I look to see what I might win..... so yes it might be a skill game as well but I think the skill is " Money Management "
I voted fot betting/skill game, but I also think it's a luck game (especially at the limits I play) when you see people cracking pocket Aces with 93o and stuff, so in the end if you are a good player and you know what your doing you will have a profit but you will still lose money against someone with luck on his side.
ps: just won a pot with 72o (clicked wrong button) against JJ so yes luck is a very big factor.
Posted by weakminded: I voted fot betting/skill game, but I also think it's a luck game (especially at the limits I play) when you see people cracking pocket Aces with 93o and stuff, so in the end if you are a good player and you know what your doing you will have a profit but you will still lose money against someone with luck on his side.
ps: just won a pot with 72o (clicked wrong button) against JJ so yes luck is a very big factor.
I dont know what limits you are playing, but I guess you are talking about the micro limits and I can only agree with you. I have been playing for about 10 Days at Everest now and its really a donk fest and full of stupid bad beats. I dont get how ppl can actually make profit like that, but respect if someone does it, on the lower limits. My Bankroll looked like that at Everest ----> I deposit 30$ ; 1 Day: (+10) 40$ ; 2 Day (+25): 65$; 3 Day: (-10) 55$; 4 Day: (+40) 95$; So far so good, I had every Day a few up and downs, some really strange bad beats, but always managed to come back, only the Day 3 was a bit fucked up, but on Day 5, I couldnt believe it, it can be even more swingy, than it alrdy was.... 5 Day: (-50) 45$; 6 Day: (+40) 85$; 7 Day: (-20) 65$; 8 Day: (+40) 105$; 9 Day: (-75) 30$; 10 Day - Game Over : (-30) 0$ GG
Infos: multitabling (4-6 tables) NL - 0,05 / 0,1 $, no hud. I tried to clear the 300$ Bonus, but I failed, as you can see.
I think I will stick to FTP only, I dont know why, but I cant get used to pokerrooms with too many donks in it. My Bankroll at FTP reached the 400 $ mark, 317$ profit, 50$ bonus dollars + rakeback.
PS: Poker is about SKILL, but you have to play at higher limits, if you play at lower limits and you always have 3-4 callers, then even with Aces you wont make profit on the long-term. Best thing will be to deposit a little more money, or build your Bankroll with SNG's and then move to higher cash game limits.
ps: just won a pot with 72o (clicked wrong button) against JJ
Nice one........ and there was no luck involved just SKILL
haha off course it was all skill , still 10 hands after that I get AKs person raises I re-raise, she calls, flop is KQ4 turn 3 river 6, it was a tournament and she pushed on the turn, I call, she shows QQ lol.
@Danemitic: yes I play 10 and 20 NL and I just started playing at vc poker. It's just unbelievable the hands I saw there in the past 2 days . people with Quads on the flop lose against runner runner quads, quads losing to straight flush, set against gut shot rivers it's just unbelievable, I had my share of those crazy hands already, losing my full house against a runner runner quad. if those were bad beat tables I would be rich by now I think. Oh well, it's part of the game and the secret is good BRM but it can get frustrated when you know your playing a good game but somebody just busts you with that 2 outer.
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Posted by weakminded:
Posted by dunotra:
Posted by weakminded:
ps: just won a pot with 72o (clicked wrong button) against JJ
Nice one........ and there was no luck involved just SKILL
haha off course it was all skill , still 10 hands after that I get AKs person raises I re-raise, she calls, flop is KQ4 turn 3 river 6, it was a tournament and she pushed on the turn, I call, she shows QQ lol.
@Danemitic: yes I play 10 and 20 NL and I just started playing at vc poker. It's just unbelievable the hands I saw there in the past 2 days . people with Quads on the flop lose against runner runner quads, quads losing to straight flush, set against gut shot rivers it's just unbelievable, I had my share of those crazy hands already, losing my full house against a runner runner quad. if those were bad beat tables I would be rich by now I think. Oh well, it's part of the game and the secret is good BRM but it can get frustrated when you know your playing a good game but somebody just busts you with that 2 outer.
Wow i have never seen quads vs quads or quads vs straight flush at my table and i have been playing pretty often for the past few years!
I've been playing for a year now and I had never seen this either, it was unbelievable really, and to see these hands in a time period of like 2 hours was even more crazy.
Joined: Mar '08
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Depends on the format of poker, truth is luck runs out so any long term winning player is winning with skill. So its both but for a commitid player skill.
just SKILL 
. people with Quads on the flop lose against runner runner quads, quads losing to straight flush, set against gut shot rivers it's just unbelievable, I had my share of those crazy hands already, losing my full house against a runner runner quad. if those were 
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