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Mtt Freeroll; 10 player left; 9 place paid; chipleader about 32000 chips, me 28000, villain1 21000, villain2 18000 and so on. I'm dealt with JJ but decide to limp (in early position) cause I don't want to take any risk in bubble; everybody fold and chipleader is BB and check (pot 2800) : flop 966 rainbow - he checks and me too (no risk at all against chipleader in bubble) turm 7 - he checks and me too river 6 - he checks I bet 3500 and he reraise allin... I have no particular read on him cause i met him in final table 5 or 6 hands before prizes in €uros 10, 7, 5, 3, 2.5, 2 and so on ....so ....what would you do? fold or call and why
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usualy i would call. he didnt reraise you when you limped, he probably has straight or lower pocket even if.. but since theres only 1 person to be knocked out to get in the money i do fold.
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If you don't want to take a risk, don't bet the river. Take the free showdown.
Your overbet on the river looks a lot like a steal attempt to an opponent. So he may want to bluff you out of the pot. I guess i would call here with the overpair.
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Well now you got to fold. Dont let yourself get in to these situations, play or dont. "I don't want to take any risk in bubble" what was you ever going to do with that hand, hope it gets checkd all the way? well it did and you went and took the risk, chances are you had it.
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man you could have taken the blinds at least with a raise.you cant limp in with pocket JJ.you got int a bad situation cause you made the moves backwards.if its any comfort,i bet you anything he was limping and was checking down the 6.what did happen.
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To me you played this badly. I understand you don't want to risk the bubble against the chip leader but you may as well have folded every single hole card preflop until the bubble goes if you're not going to play your cards at all.
Raising may have not been such a bad idea. You've got more than 20 big blinds for gods sake so you didn't have to commit yourself but you could stop him getting in the hand with 6 2 and you'd have a much better idea of his range. If he re-raised you could be cautious, fold, not much harm done.
Your way you get no clue of his range on the flop. He could easily have a straight draw that could get you into a race you'd rather avoid. But you can't check it to the river because you're getting no more info on him. By your own admission you're not checking to trap here, you're checking to be safe so why are you waiting for more scare cards. What would you do if he bet the turn? You needed to put in a small bet to test before the river.
But without that bet you should have checked the river and taken the pot down and played it safe like you wanted to. What could you put him on to call with or were you ashamed to show the jacks and your cowardly behaviour.
Finally, I would call the river raise all-in. There's no way he has an over pair so he's only beating you with a six or two nines. I imagine he would not have checked down to the river with these.
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i'll always fold in this condition, you are in a decent condition in the tournament. So why take risk? You will easily make past the bubble and then play freely. If you lose now, it is too much disappointment to see your efforts wasted like this.
Fold. Why taking risks u don't need at this point of the tournament? After another loser, you can play better and free without beeing scared of winning nothing.
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TY all for your replies, other will be still appreciated. i didn't wanted to take risk but when i saw the cards on the table i was so tempted to make thet bet, hoping he had a 9 or a 7 or a straigh (this was my plan shokaku but was different from the one preflop ) infact i called....... but he had A6 ....great disappointment not for the money but for my donkplay but i really can't believe he checked his 6 til the river anyway the reason for my post is to improve my playing and now know something more (first I'm an unlucky donk) after this post.
last question: what about the way chipleader played this hand?
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Chip leader, well think he should have raised but not knowing the table(each outher) id guess he gives you a little respect with your range. when he hits that set, he is waitng for you to make amove or hit so he can get value, id of not checked the river but looks for somereason that he expects you to bet. He plays it fairly well.
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I can't believe he didn't put a value bet on the river. From the way you behaved he shouldn't expect you to bet unless you took a long time to check each time. And then he went all in so he he could only really get paid if you had the kind of hand you had. So he was very fortunate but it was your bad play that got you into trouble. If you'd raised earlier you wouldn't be in that mess. You may have lost a few chips since he could have called a small raise preflop with A6 but you wouldn't call an all in on the river if he'd called you or raised on the flop.
most these threads have the same answer. raise or fold pre.
passive play on the bubble is unforgivable imo, jj is strong so play it and take the blinds. you set yourself up for disaster, you have to fold and you deserve it.
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Posted by awood88: I can't believe he didn't put a value bet on the river. From the way you behaved he shouldn't expect you to bet unless you took a long time to check each time. And then he went all in so he he could only really get paid if you had the kind of hand you had. So he was very fortunate but it was your bad play that got you into trouble. If you'd raised earlier you wouldn't be in that mess. You may have lost a few chips since he could have called a small raise preflop with A6 but you wouldn't call an all in on the river if he'd called you or raised on the flop.
I agree with everything you said and with bigfoot as well
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You missed the trick by not betting before the flop. He could have had anything..... You let him in for free and thats not advisable if he had 26 he's laughing even if he had nothing at all by letting him get to the river without a bet he must have thought you had nothing so even thou you had JJ it was worth nothing. Even if you had 99 waiting for the river left you open all he needed then was a 6 and as you let him limp in he could hold that no worries Even on the bubble you still hace to bet so you dont get into these situations. Waiting for the river with a hand is wrong wrong wrong. We all live and learn, so dont be too hard on your self
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@ xxxbchxxx, yes u are right, i let him in free ok., i ididn't taste him with a bet ok... but i still can't believe that after river he didn't bet one only chip
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i would have definitely called. Apart from 99 QQ KK AA and any 6 your hand is the best. But I agree: you should have raised before the flop. Nonetheless I would have called the River.
) infact i called.......
