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I play NL50 Full ring with short stack. And i'm winning aprx. 13 bb/100 hands. If you play by the rules without stealing and re-stealing, it may be vary profitable stratagy.
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Posted by Fisto: I play NL50 Full ring with short stack. And i'm winning aprx. 13 bb/100 hands. If you play by the rules without stealing and re-stealing, it may be vary profitable stratagy.
Learn how to steal and re-steal and will get more EV from your play. It's an adaptation you will need to beat higher levels, among others.
SSS is not that bad and not only for beginners. It keeps the risk and ways to decide low and theirfor many beginners play it, because it are easy first steps. But there are two problems. First of all many beginners (and medium players, too xD) often didn't have the patients to wait for a really good hand. Secound problem is that many SS-Player sit for about 2 hours on a table and wait for their hand. But in this time even the lowest fish understood that he only pushes when theire is a really high hand, so the SS-Player wont get many calls and the stragie gets unprovitable.
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im not so keen on sss either. I just saw my 210 dollar bankroll vapourised by playing sss on partypoker. They changed the tabled from 10 to 9 , and there are lots of tight , sss players . I think (i hope) thats why i lost my BR , and not because of leaks. Its really hard to differentiate but the traffic does alot , since if the other ones are TAG too , you either get no value , or you get in nasty situations that was my expierence on party , someone who backs me up / says its not true?
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Posted by B1gfoot: yoshiwa, you shouldnt be playing SSS against short stacks and want a loose table, so yep your right but next time make better choices on tables.
Nice try.
Party is the main partner site of an infamous german affiliate, who produces an huge amount of short stackers. So playing at Party without a bunch of shortys at the table is impossible.
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Posted by shokaku:
Posted by B1gfoot: yoshiwa, you shouldnt be playing SSS against short stacks and want a loose table, so yep your right but next time make better choices on tables.
Nice try.
Party is the main partner site of an infamous german affiliate, who produces an huge amount of short stackers. So playing at Party without a bunch of shortys at the table is impossible.
so yoshiwa, you shouldnt be playing SSS against Party poker players might have to pay a visit.
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Posted by RUS_Artem: and what do you think about playing SSS at Mansion poker, there is no rakeback in that room...
I tried there and in another ipoker room before. On NL10 avoid it, too many shortstackers and a lot of tables with low %flop. On NL20 you can find up to 5-7 playable tables, not as many shortstackes as on NL10. Remember you need tables with a minimum of 6 "regular" player. So if a 10 handed table has already 4 SSS players, avoid it, one more and it will become unprofitable.
Avg pot below 12bb and less than 20% players/flop: avoid it. But a table with low %flop and 1 or 2 huge donkeys can be good. You want loose/agressive tables.
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Posted by T3ddyKGB:
im not sure if its still that profitable as b1gfoot already mentioned it is too predictable. on the tables i play anyways none calls these all-ins ! so after a while they forced to raise instead to push all-in as you dont get every 2nd hand aces or kings. and then what..? your sss means you dont have enough blinds to make pressure. and if you raise then its most of the time no more a 1vs1 situation but 2or3 caller. perhaps its profitable if you have 30 tables open and you luckily find 2-3 maniacs who call your all-in with ducks.
so you didn't really understand how it works. you do not always push all-in when you play SSS. it means you play strong hands and raise them preflop. you will be all-in on the flop most times because: a) if you hit the flop you will have something like a n overpair or toppair with a very good kicker, if a caller hit the flop too, he will, in most cases, still lose the hand b) if you do not hit the flop you can make a continuation bet (if there are not too many callers) and win the pot very often. many players (especially on the micros) tend to call with weaker hands preflop, but fold on the flop if they do not hit. your edge comes from the loose preflop calls, that cannot be profitable when players are not deep enough. some players think you are weak, because of your small stack. you won't win a lot from the players who know what you are doing, but therefore more from the fishes, and btw.: when i played it i made the most money from those players who THINK they know how to exploit it.
if you cannot play this strategy profitable i wonder how you can play any strategy profitable, as it is the easiest strategy to play
Posted by racpxt:
Posted by Fisto: I play NL50 Full ring with short stack. And i'm winning aprx. 13 bb/100 hands. If you play by the rules without stealing and re-stealing, it may be vary profitable stratagy.
Learn how to steal and re-steal and will get more EV from your play. It's an adaptation you will need to beat higher levels, among others.
i thjink he does it right, 13bb/100hands is a good winrate (don't forget: you can play many tables at the same time!), stealing and restealing can bring you into trouble as you do not have much fold equity
Posted by racpxt: I tried there and in another ipoker room before. On NL10 avoid it, too many shortstackers and a lot of tables with low %flop. On NL20 you can find up to 5-7 playable tables, not as many shortstackes as on NL10. Remember you need tables with a minimum of 6 "regular" player. So if a 10 handed table has already 4 SSS players, avoid it, one more and it will become unprofitable.
on ipoker many players are not really SSS-players, they just play with a shortstack because the options are set on 20bb as standard buy-in (easy way to find out: if a shortstack limps he isn't playing sss. but in general your explanation is correct (i'm sure many losing-sss-players don't do table selection)
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I love SSS!!!!
Maybe is a little robotyc strategy, but it works. For bennigner players is the best form to learn somthings about poker, and training with low cost. I´m sure that few players can play directly BSS without a good trainig in SSS.
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quote: "so you didn't really understand how it works. you do not always push all-in when you play SSS. it means you play strong hands and raise them preflop"
i understood it very well. i just find SSS is to predictable, as you self say you only play strong hands. the couple blinds you have left do not scare anyone especially if hes on a draw (maybe thats the only good thing on SSS because your not taken serious as SSS) so good luck to make him lay down his hand.
quote:"if you cannot play this strategy profitable i wonder how you can play any strategy profitable, as it is the easiest strategy to play"
i never said i play SSS...never will because it simply doesnt fit the way im playing, and why waste time to double up $5 while i can double up $50 in the same time on a table. i could go on and name you several reasons why i wouldnt play it. i was just curious what other ppl think about sss because so far i only see ppl losing by playin non sense/coinflip poker. actually i find SSS is a excuse for "im too scared to lose my big stack because i cant handle the pressure, so i join the table with only a couple of blinds"...prolly thats why mostly used by beginners.
no offense to sss players, theres certainly some who play profitable and enjoy it.
