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Hi Guys,
Okay here's the deal. Just finished probably my worst session ever and I'm down 8 buy-ins.
I am a winning player with a good deal of experience. I don't drink when I play, I don't play outwith my bankroll, I accept downswings as a part of the game in fact im at the stage where a buy in doesn't mean anything to me and this allows me to avoid tilt and reguarly play my A game. I'm not even that bothered by it right now but it did get me wondering.
I was losing with trips, Kings, Aces everything and felt like it was unavoidable, I had people shoving all night on draws including inside draws (I'm not a shover, I like to value bet so I was ahead until the turn river basically) and they where hitting every time. Not so often against trips I can usually sniff them out.
Should I have quit long before just on the basis that it wasn't my day.
Do you fellow players have a rule of thumb on this or do you just quit when you are feeling spewy full tilt ahead.
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I saw regulars on nl 100 and nl 200 losing 20 stacks in one day. Would recommend you to search for this one forum with "strategy" in it, and look there what kind of swings some people had.
Thats really hard, allthough 8 stacks is nice too, but dont forget you have had days where you won 8 or more.
I know the feeling, it can be frustrating when a donk hits a hand that should of been folded long before the river. Not only are you out the money, but the donk seems to think they have a grasp on the game and that is the way they should be playing. When that happens to me I usually take a break and go outside and get some fresh air (usually I take a cig break and a short walk, etc.). Then when I sit back down I'll try to evaluate the table/players that I hop back onto. Hope that helps, good luck
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Thanks for the input. Yes I decided to play on because I was feeling good. I got a book about a year ago called the poker mindset and it really changed the way I view the game and I felt since i felt I was playing my A game I would continue, I didn't tighten up, I didn't loosen up and played the cards the way I normally would and just viewed it as a downswing in my long term success. But a friend said to me "I would never have let that happen I would have quit after 3 or 4 which is why I post this thread. Does anyone else think that way.
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Hehe, always stop playing when you feel like going out of control. In fact, start thinking about playing freerolls only or changing budget to a $1 sng's, to keep it serious, yet fun and cheap.
But since YOU seem like really going for it, keep on playing! Just stay calm and remember to have fun.
Posted by KeefBurtons: Thanks for the input. Yes I decided to play on because I was feeling good. I got a book about a year ago called the poker mindset and it really changed the way I view the game and I felt since i felt I was playing my A game I would continue, I didn't tighten up, I didn't loosen up and played the cards the way I normally would and just viewed it as a downswing in my long term success. But a friend said to me "I would never have let that happen I would have quit after 3 or 4 which is why I post this thread. Does anyone else think that way.
Try to avoid stupid tilts, thats the only reason to stop a session, imo. Itt doesnt matter, if you lose 3-4 or even 20 buy-ins, as long as you play your game, you will start winning again. A losing streak will come sooner or later anyway - you can't avoid it........
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Posted by B1gfoot: Id stop at 2-3 depending on how it was lost.(cash) If you dont want to stop playing go down limits and not wrorry about tilt or play a tourn.
I explained how it was lost when I started the thread. Would you still stop at 2 or 3 on this basis. I have a certain time when I play and always make sure the fish are swimming, which is why I lost so much in my opinion. What I would like to know is would you decide to quit after losing 2-3 buy ins on a tight table or a fishy table or both and since I wasn't on tilt are you quitting since it just was'nt your day?
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I remember you.... didn't you have this ávatar.. anyway I've just finished a massive upswing tonight myself which is why I wasn't too bothered by last night but my friend saying he would never have lost so much got me wondering.
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When to stop is a personal thing.
Some people can lose 10 buy ins and still play fine, some lose one and go on mega monkey tilt.
The more you play means you get desensitised to losses but everyone has their own personal limit and it's important to " know yourself "
My personal limit is 4 buy ins or 2 if I'm moving up a limit. if I lose more than that I quit for the day.
Few people can lose 8+ buy ins without it taking them off their A game even if they're not on full blown tilt - so stopping when you did was probably the prudent move to make.
Being honest with yourself about this is such a difficult thing to do and something many good players can't do. For many it can be the largest leek in their game but they refuse to even contemplate it even exists.
Quotes like " I never tilt " always make me laugh cause more offen that not it's the biggest tilters that say such things.
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Posted by Dellbo99: The more you play means you get desensitised to losses but everyone has their own personal limit and it's important to " know yourself "
I agree with you here. I have managed to desensitised myself to the money I play with because my bills get paid and I have money in my wallet and I am happy enough with my game to have long term success.
[/QUOTE]My personal limit is 4 buy ins or 2 if I'm moving up a limit. if I lose more than that I quit for the day.[/QUOTE]
Are you quitting because you are not able to play your A game after the losses or because ''its just not your day''
[/QUOTE]Few people can lose 8+ buy ins without it taking them off their A game even if they're not on full blown tilt - so stopping when you did was probably the prudent move to make.
Being honest with yourself about this is such a difficult thing to do and something many good players can't do. For many it can be the largest leek in their game but they refuse to even contemplate it even exists.
Quotes like " I never tilt " always make me laugh cause more offen that not it's the biggest tilters that say such things. [/QUOTE]
I quit because I was tired anf felt that I maybe could have played on if not. Obviously everyone tilts, I seen Negreanu tilt on high stakes poker, it was so funny to watch. But it is the manner of what triggers tilt in someone and for me short term losses isn't it. I normally start tilting when I miss a trick or make a mistake because I was'n't concentrating as much as I should have but I have a rule two mistakes or bad calls or bad bluffs and I quit.
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If ur a winning player then stop wud make u loose money if we have to believe the facts. Cos the more u play the more money u make in the long run. So fact is ''never stop playing''
But offcourse after a couple buyinns down many players cant play their A-game anymore so yes then stop is a good option
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