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Since june i started to play a little bit different and i see thet this strategy many times saved my bankroll. Never saw a threat and never read anything about this so here so here is what i do :

Normally i play on 0.25/0.50 NL ring games, my bankroll is enough to play on this limits (i have a 700$ bankroll). As poker is a variance game you go up and down, now when i see i got a downswing (like i got busted 3 or 4 times on the river, or you just have a bad day) i move down limits, i start play on 0.10/0.20 tables untill i see i got cards. When i start to win again i move up agin.

What do you think about this? You think this makes any sense? Personally i think it's very good to do so and it saved my bankroll many times.

I am talking about moving down not only according to a BRM but according to the situation.

Edited by hombart (01 August 2009 @ 13:31 GMT)


     
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this is the best stratedgy that you can have in poker.as long as you dont bust your bankroll in one sitting trying to chase money is always a good thing.you can win nothing with nothing. Big Smile

     
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$700 is usually judged as not enough for NL50. 20 buy ins -> $1000 at least.

Stay at NL20 or NL25 untill you have made 1000 bucks. Then move up to NL50. If you drop below $750 move down again.

Good cards at one table do not mean good cards on another table. But if it helps your game, go on with it.

     
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Since when playin NL50 with $700 is good bankrollmanagement? Smile

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Posted by shokaku:
$700 is usually judged as not enough for NL50. 20 buy ins -> $1000 at least.

Stay at NL20 or NL25 untill you have made 1000 bucks. Then move up to NL50. If you drop below $750 move down again.

Good cards at one table do not mean good cards on another table. But if it helps your game, go on with it.

Exactly, listen too this pro Thumbs Up

     
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shokoaku: I never bring a full buy-in on he table. I get on a NL50 table with 35$, thats whyi said it is enough (iknow quite good BRM rules).

The point was : Do you think it is good to move down in a downswing situation even if your bankroll is good enough to stay on the higher limit?

By the way : Thank you for the opinion guys Smile

     
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I think a move down could be good in a downswing situation.

Even if you don't think you are on a tilt, you often find out after your session that you were.
You play more marginal hands, and take more chances to win back you losses.

So a move down, would reduce the risk for more loss, and you will meet weaker players so it might be easyer to win and get over the tilt.

     
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Posted by hombart:
The point was : Do you think it is good to move down in a downswing situation even if your bankroll is good enough to stay on the higher limit?

If the downswing has influence on your game (you start playing to scared or search for vengeance) move down when you are hit by one.

     
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More than on my game it has big influence on my bankroll...lol... When it's a downswing you will lose most of hands no matter what you have Smile

Of course it has influence also on my game...

You play different when you get busted time after time holding nuts on the flop...

     
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I am having a downswing at the moment now, $200 down not much but still.
Getting horrible badbeats unreal, in my early days it wud set me on big tilt, luckily nowadays not anymore.

     
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Posted by hombart:
shokoaku: I never bring a full buy-in on he table. I get on a NL50 table with 35$, thats whyi said it is enough (iknow quite good BRM rules)


This is only my opinion but I really hate the tactic of not buying in for the full 100BB. Buyin in short ( 20BB ) and leaving after a double has some merit but otherwise not buyin in full could cause you more problems than it's worth.

Other players at the table may see you as week, or suspect you're under rolled and will play scared. Also on later streets you won't have enough behind you to pressure your opponents. Making their decisions easier if they know that they can't face a large river bet. Playing hands for implied odds can be tough too as you ( and your Opponents ) know that you can never get full value from a hand when you hit.


My advice - drop down a level and move back up when your roll is $1000+ I prefer a little more than this then I can play for a while at the higher limit even if I start off running bad. I would drop back down if my roll drops below the required $1000.

I would always recommend that you buy in for the max - well, if your half way decent I would.

Good luck Dell.

     
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i just move down when im lossing a 30% of my bankroll in a sesion but sometimes just move down when i need fast cahs Cool

     
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Posted by Dellbo99:
Posted by hombart:
shokoaku: I never bring a full buy-in on he table. I get on a NL50 table with 35$, thats whyi said it is enough (iknow quite good BRM rules)


This is only my opinion but I really hate the tactic of not buying in for the full 100BB. Buyin in short ( 20BB ) and leaving after a double has some merit but otherwise not buyin in full could cause you more problems than it's worth.

Other players at the table may see you as week, or suspect you're under rolled and will play scared. Also on later streets you won't have enough behind you to pressure your opponents. Making their decisions easier if they know that they can't face a large river bet. Playing hands for implied odds can be tough too as you ( and your Opponents ) know that you can never get full value from a hand when you hit.


My advice - drop down a level and move back up when your roll is $1000+ I prefer a little more than this then I can play for a while at the higher limit even if I start off running bad. I would drop back down if my roll drops below the required $1000.

I would always recommend that you buy in for the max - well, if your half way decent I would.

Good luck Dell.


on the other side with middle stack 40bb many decisions get easier as you for example you can shove with top pair over a flush draw without many loss if you end up behind. the same goes if you are not sure if someone is bulling the table so you can put the pressure with minimun risk.

     
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Posted by kevinnivek:
on the other side with middle stack 40bb many decisions get easier as you for example you can shove with top pair over a flush draw without many loss if you end up behind.

This makes no sense. As a 2:1 favorite one want to see as much chips in the middle as possible.

Problem with a 40-60Bb stack is one is a bit in a limbo. Decisions aren't as easy as with a short stack (~20BB). On the other side you don't have the implied odds to setmine or call with SC.

     
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for a start if u have $700 in your account u should not be playing that high 2nd its a good ides for about a $2000 BR if u get that sure go right a head

     
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If you look at it like a smart guy and you are looking at it quite right! (I don't know why I tell this 2 everybody) If you come in a downswing like 30k hands and you notice it after say 3k hands you still have 27k hands 2 go in that downswing. 4 example You have played 50NL . If you sit your downswing out on that level/ or you should sit out the remaining hands of your downswing on 25NL you will absolutely notice the difference in your bankroll(The same in a upswing that is why I prefer a BR of 200 buy ins so you can change limits during up and downswings) but best is 2 fold much more than usual if you are in a downswing at the lowest level possible where you want 2 play!!!!!!!! Hoped it helped!!!!!!!!
Sorry that I am so stupid Big Smile Big Smile Big Smile

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Look if you win 5Buy ins and 10 lose buy ins on 1 day you are 5 buy ins down but if you played 10 losing buy ins on NL25 and won 5 buy ins on NL50 you played even and you have had an unlucky day lose more hands than won

Edited by dianakyra (02 August 2009 @ 00:04 GMT)


     
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this is the best stratedgy that you can have in poker.as long as you dont bust your bankroll in one sitting trying to chase money is always a good thing.you can win nothing with nothing. Big Smile

yeah thats totally true Smile

     
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Bankrollmanagement is very important. I was getting broke 3 times, until i learned that. It's not that big fun, when you always have to cash in. Confused

     
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Posted by dianakyra:
If you look at it like a smart guy and you are looking at it quite right! (I don't know why I tell this 2 everybody) If you come in a downswing like 30k hands and you notice it after say 3k hands you still have 27k hands 2 go in that downswing. 4 example You have played 50NL . If you sit your downswing out on that level/ or you should sit out the remaining hands of your downswing on 25NL you will absolutely notice the difference in your bankroll(The same in a upswing that is why I prefer a BR of 200 buy ins so you can change limits during up and downswings) but best is 2 fold much more than usual if you are in a downswing at the lowest level possible where you want 2 play!!!!!!!! Hoped it helped!!!!!!!!
Sorry that I am so stupid Big Smile Big Smile Big Smile

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Look if you win 5Buy ins and 10 lose buy ins on 1 day you are 5 buy ins down but if you played 10 losing buy ins on NL25 and won 5 buy ins on NL50 you played even and you have had an unlucky day lose more hands than won



Heh Worship I see you got to the point... This is exactly what i was trying to say. In thisanswers i see muchdisorder. 1st, i don't play shortstack (that would be a 10$ buy-in on NL50 table), i play ahalf way of full stack and half stack. Inever alsoaskedabout bankroll management as i know the rules (max 5% of your stack on a table). That's all folks Aww crap!

     
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Its only good for the wallet and psycological. There is nothing mathematical or scientific in that technique. You do well going down when loosing ans up when things run well, its human nature. When we are winning we want to win more; when we are loosing, we dont want to loose much!

     
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