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Posted by Whiskerer: Sure it might be a slight bad beat, but as have been mentioned it's 60/40 hand so not really that unlucky. And yes AK is a drawing hand, so it would be stupid to put all your money in with i this early in a tourney, sure play it but dpending on the reraise either call or fold, not much use in shoving or keep pushing it.
I agree with Flangel that AK is over rated, but you under rate it. Sure deep stacked, such as early stage tourney or cash game you can easily fold AK since even if you get your money in odds are it will be a coin flip at best, if you play agaisnt good players.
But in later stages in a tourney AK really is a premium hand, since anyone with any experience playing tourneys knows that once the blind are getting up to 300+ you will be playing pretty short stacked, in which case AK which is rarely dominated but which also dominates a lot of hands since pretty much AT+ at least are hands that people will be putting in their money with.
In the end, I wouldn't want to go all in with any hand pre flop early on in a tourney, at least if I think I'm ahead, sure I would do it with some, aces and kings at the very least, but it is too much of a gamble early on, there will be plenty of spots where I'm much better than a 70/30 favorite. So try to keep the pots small in early stages of a tourney and once you get down what 30 BB something you can start playing hands like AK more aggresivly.
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This is only a bad beat, the equity of AK vs. 67 are 61.623% and he play very bad (only a fish go all-in with this hand). Normally you will win this hand, he had luck with this board but he had not odds, overcards, good kickers... (nothing); and AK are a very good hand (isn't a premium pair but has a very good equity; and in 33% of the hands has a TPTK or best with the flop).
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Agreed, but then again isn't it tardish to go in with any hand pre flop this early? Even aces are only about 80/20 against most hands, which is a bad bet. That is my point, early on in a tournament loose and slow is much better, or rather semi loose. Of course with reservation for reads and more extreme player styles of course.
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in a cash game, it's not such a bad move, because you're a fav to win, so it's a +ev move. Repeated enough you'd come out in front
However, in a MTT or SNG, it's a dumb idea to get all your chips in pre-flop on anything other than KK or AA and even then only if it's up against one other person.
think about it, 67 vs AK, what'd someone say 60/40 odds or something ?? Well, you could expect to do this ONCE and get away with it, more than once, odds or you're busting out of that tourney. If someone wants to donk away their chips by pushing all-in pre-flop and they do it just when you get nice cards (like AK) just suck it up and fold. Makes you want to cry i know, you finally get a nice starting hand and some a-hole decides to play bingo. Well, don't do it. This is probably the cause of 99% of "bad beat stories" posted on forums IMO, people who see a donk move and then stoop to their level and then complain. You need to out play them, not play their game. ok.
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I don't think i'll call such a big call with ak so early in tournament, unless its a freeroll. if u think he got lucky with his 67, i think yes he got lucky but he played it like a big hand and so early in tournament you can't even make out whether it was a bluff or not, so it was a bad call( he could have had AA even) and like Flangel said never overestimate your Ak.
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Posted by SuperNoob: I don't think i'll call such a big call with ak so early in tournament, unless its a freeroll. if u think he got lucky with his 67, i think yes he got lucky but he played it like a big hand and so early in tournament you can't even make out whether it was a bluff or not, so it was a bad call( he could have had AA even) and like Flangel said never overestimate your Ak.
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yeah this is junk,AK the worst hand in a tournament,he mabie was just trying to buy the blinds.stupid game poker sometimes,but we love it.67 hahahaah,how many times you beat AK with that.
you played it wrong unfortunately:S AK is a drawing hand. not even a pair 67 has good possibilities. most of straight come from 67 good luck next time dude.
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He was not such a bad player. even against AA you have with 67s about 22% to win the hand. Against AK 76s has about 42% to win the hand. That's nearly a coinflip! You see, he was not such a bad player. AK=Anna Kournikova, it looks good but looses often.
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its a long run thing... over thirty hands you will win 20 or so in that position... Not bad play on either party but you have to analyse your situation and try to extract most from you winning positions and not just go all in because you have a good hand that may on closer inspection be 2nd best...
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Posted by Jayo: its a long run thing... over thirty hands you will win 20 or so in that position... Not bad play on either party but you have to analyse your situation and try to extract most from you winning positions and not just go all in because you have a good hand that may on closer inspection be 2nd best...
Yes thank U
I hope people that werent agreed with, realize my point.
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Posted by Flangel: Agreed , even with AA, KK, who the f**k goes all in in an early stage? I don't.
Well i do
With AA i go allin preflop any time, no problem, doesnt matter wot buyin wot stage ect. With KK depends wot buyinn, in a SNG i just jamm it in preflop, in a MTT depends on the buyinn.
But yes agreed Flangel, go allinn with AK at early stage MTT/SNG isnt the best option...
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Posted by doomdy:
Posted by Flangel: Agreed , even with AA, KK, who the f**k goes all in in an early stage? I don't.
Well i do
With AA i go allin preflop any time, no problem, doesnt matter wot buyin wot stage ect. With KK depends wot buyinn, in a SNG i just jamm it in preflop, in a MTT depends on the buyinn.
But yes agreed Flangel, go allinn with AK at early stage MTT/SNG isnt the best option...
Going all in with AK is for tards that early :s
KK AA = still big MTT like SMilion, or FTOPS events Play ot more safe and conserv.
I mean 200-500$ buyins are not nothing.
Wether u play for a 1$ or 500$ buy in Doesnt matter = coz winning is the goal.
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AK vs 67 all in at preflop its a race. AK is at front at preflop, but a single 6 would make all the difference, didnt had to be a straight. You havent done nothing wrong, but you got to remember this can happen. Imagine you both were not all in: perhaps you could make a 1/2 pot bet after flop to see his reaction; if he would now go all in, what would you do? i would fold because i wouldnt pay with nothing.
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I certainly believe AK is super overrated.. personally i like 3 betting with it, then call a raise if someone reraises me, but never shove it preflop. Well maybe against players that are really loose. But its not bad to call with a hand that you will win 62% of the time. Seriously, its EV+ to call AK anytime, it means 6 out of 10 times you will double up against that player..
Then again, I wont do it, rather see a cheap flop and if i dont hit, and someone bets, easy fold!
EDIT: And i shove AA, KK anytime, anyday, any buy in if I feel im ahead, wich is most of the times!
