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Table Early (6 max) - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em Seat 1: ImYourPet ($25) Seat 2: jazzkantine ($9.22) Seat 3: GP6NUJ ($26.11) Seat 4: chipsum69 ($7.90) Seat 5: 33 p nuts ($25) Seat 6: tarock2009 ($11.64) tarock2009 posts the small blind of $0.10 ImYourPet posts the big blind of $0.25 The button is in seat #5 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to tarock2009 [7s 6s] jazzkantine raises to $0.85 GP6NUJ calls $0.85 chipsum69 calls $0.85 tarock2009 calls $0.75 ImYourPet calls $0.60 *** FLOP *** [7c 7h 5h] tarock2009 checks ImYourPet has 15 seconds left to act ImYourPet checks jazzkantine bets $4.25 GP6NUJ folds chipsum69 folds tarock2009 raises to $8.50 ImYourPet folds ImYourPet adds $0.85 jazzkantine calls $4.12, and is all in tarock2009 shows [7s 6s] jazzkantine shows [Qd Qs] Uncalled bet of $0.13 returned to tarock2009 *** TURN *** [7c 7h 5h] *** RIVER *** [7c 7h 5h 9h] tarock2009 shows three of a kind, Sevens jazzkantine shows two pair, Queens and Sevens tarock2009 wins the pot ($19.95) with three of a kind, Sevens jazzkantine is sitting out *** SUMMARY ***
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Well, if you need to ask the question, then the answer is NO.
You are out of position in the SB and have just sooted connectors. Easy preflop fold for $0.10 with so much action in front of you.
Now if you knew what you were doing, this is actually a very playable trappy hand. There is $2.90 in the pot, and you only have to call $0.75, giving you almost 4:1, with the BB coming along, make that 5:1. Risky, and OOP, with 4 opponents, but if you know how to play em, this hand is VERY trappy. The problem is you need to cream the flop, which, unlike this hand, won't happen all that often, so expect to do a lot of check folding the majority of the time. When you do hit, your hand is so well disguised, that you are most likely stacking people.
The key is bailing on this hand when you do not absolutely cream the flop. 1 pr, no good, unless you have some type of killer draw. 2pr probably not good, as you are easily counterfeited, plus flopping 2 pr most likely negates a killer draw that is not backdoor variety. Trips and killer strfl draws are when your hand really comes to life. But, again, those won't happen all that often, so for the most part, you are just spewing $0.75, OOP with a sexy looking hand, that can get you into a lot of trouble.
this is a very playable hand imo but im a loose player and most people will say fold almost all hands except AA so it all depends on your style and ofc your opponents style
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just depends on how far your willing to go,that queen on the river would have sent you packn,or the flush,basically in the long run you got lucky with this hand and in most situations you lose.all in early was a very bold move.but that may be your style.
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If all were fullstacked it would be a call. With those shallow stacks you don't have the odds to call. And even worse, you are first to act after the flop.
I am more amazed that the idiot called you with QQ when you have re-raised him heavily with a paired board.
OK maybe the call wasnt so clever, and really you should have folded, but when presented with a flop like that and a nutter who wont lay down an overpair to a paired board, then perhaps he deserved all he got.
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Posted by klopmand: Well, if you need to ask the question, then the answer is NO.
You are out of position in the SB and have just sooted connectors. Easy preflop fold for $0.10 with so much action in front of you.
Now if you knew what you were doing, this is actually a very playable trappy hand. There is $2.90 in the pot, and you only have to call $0.75, giving you almost 4:1, with the BB coming along, make that 5:1. Risky, and OOP, with 4 opponents, but if you know how to play em, this hand is VERY trappy. The problem is you need to cream the flop, which, unlike this hand, won't happen all that often, so expect to do a lot of check folding the majority of the time. When you do hit, your hand is so well disguised, that you are most likely stacking people.
The key is bailing on this hand when you do not absolutely cream the flop. 1 pr, no good, unless you have some type of killer draw. 2pr probably not good, as you are easily counterfeited, plus flopping 2 pr most likely negates a killer draw that is not backdoor variety. Trips and killer strfl draws are when your hand really comes to life. But, again, those won't happen all that often, so for the most part, you are just spewing $0.75, OOP with a sexy looking hand, that can get you into a lot of trouble.
IMO this is a perfect assessment of this hand, few players are good enough to play this hand profitably from this position in a cash game - but most think they are.
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"IMO this is a perfect assessment of this hand, few players are good enough to play this hand profitably from this position in a cash game - but most think they are."
Can't seem to get the QUOTE thingy to work. Regardless, ty. I actually would probably fold this 90% of the time, unless I had a REAL good feel for the tbl. Trappy hands like this can make for some killer pots. And though counter-intuitive, you actually want more opponents in the hand, than say ppA-ppK, where isolation is much preferred...
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Posted by BotaiL: with 76 after a raise pre flop i would not play this hand.... got lucky my friend!
have a nice day
You should not play suited connectors in the blinds after 3 limpers to a raise... You should always play them in LP, you hit a miracle flop, but imagine you hit an OESD or FD, you dont want to play them in the position you are... Bad bad call, and godly board..
I sometimes play this kind of hand in similar situation. When there is a standard raise and several limpers to it, I put them on hands like AK, AQ, KQ, AJ, KJ, JQ etc. They eliminate each others chances to improve their hands on the flop. So, if they don't hit the flop, your position (otherwise crappy) gives you a chance to be the first to bluff (even if you also did't hit the flop). If smb still calls your bluff, you must be disciplined enough to give it up. So, it is not an easy way to play but it was very profitable for me many times. Of course, I play it this way rarely and only when I have a healthy stack.
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there's a couple of points I'd like to make about this hand that have yet to be mentioned.
1, tarock doesn't even have a 50BB on the table when he makes the call - making his implied odds for hitting a monster flop very unfavourable.
2, getting all in on the flop with trips no kicker against 4 opponents is hardly a sure thing win. Depending on how retarded or smart they are I would expect that he wouldn't be a favourite or much of a favourite most of the time here.
likely opponent holdings I would expect to see here are: Trips better kicker ( A7s 79s 78s etc. ) all of which have you crushed.
55 or 57 both of which have you crushed
6h8h or 6h4h both of which your a small underdog.
AhKh through to AhTh of which your a 2-1 favourite
4h5h or 8h9h where your only a slight favourite
So only with the flush draw with two overs are you a significant favourite and most holdings either have you crushed or your flipping.
So even when you hit trips most often you'll win a small pot or lose a big pot - not a good prospect for a 3 big blind gamble with a speculative hand. Not to mention you have the worst position at the table.
You were just lucky to be against a retarded opponent who didn't know how to play an overpair
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The call PreFlop is good, you have suited connector (good cards to mwp) and you have the right odds to call, and with this hand if you flop a good hand, someone will break all his stack. This is a right play buddy. Anyway remember, 76s isn't a hand to play vs 1 or 2 players after someone made a raise (you dont have odds to do that) but in this situation, this is a good play. sorry my eng :s
have a nice day
