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DoN $20 + $2, 2nd hand,
Table #19414116 - STT #11919979 Starting Hand #937642127 Start time of hand: 23 Aug 2009 19:25:15 Last Hand #937639675 Game Type: HOLD'EM Limit Type: NO LIMIT Table Type: TOURNAMENT Money Type: TOURNAMENT CHIPS Blinds are now $10/$20 Button is at seat 4 Seat 1: domdy - $1,500 Seat 2: hippomoomoo - $1,500 Seat 3: kaitsu73 - $1,740 Seat 4: totti30xxx - $1,500 Seat 5: 1blackmamba3 - $1,400 Seat 6: Hironakamura1 - $1,480 Seat 7: FANTAciccio - $1,500 Seat 8: PUSSYCATxDOLL - $1,500 Seat 9: Timmer5368 - $1,480 Seat 10: godset81 - $1,400 Moving Button to seat 5 Hironakamura1 posts small blind ($10) FANTAciccio posts big blind ($20) Shuffling Deck Dealing Cards Dealing to domdy PUSSYCATxDOLL folds Timmer5368 folds godset81 calls $20 domdy raises to $90 hippomoomoo folds kaitsu73 folds totti30xxx folds 1blackmamba3 folds Hironakamura1 folds FANTAciccio folds godset81 calls $90 1blackmamba3 says hi to domdy. Dealing Flop godset81 checks domdy bets $125 godset81 calls $125 Dealing Turn godset81 checks domdy bets $225 godset81 folds domdy doesn't show domdy wins $460 Seat 1: domdy - $1,745 Seat 2: hippomoomoo - $1,500 Seat 3: kaitsu73 - $1,740 Seat 4: totti30xxx - $1,500 Seat 5: 1blackmamba3 - $1,400 Seat 6: Hironakamura1 - $1,470 Seat 7: FANTAciccio - $1,480 Seat 8: PUSSYCATxDOLL - $1,500 Seat 9: Timmer5368 - $1,480 Seat 10: godset81 - $1,185 End Of Hand #937642127
Wots ur opinion? I play this too agressiv 2nd hand? Wot u do, also c-bet and 2nd shot c-bet or u check the turn, i know its weak but its still early stage? Or u think i play too gay preflop?
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Posted by doomdy:
Posted by Flangel:
I would never never check the turn.
Ok, but..... Wot u do on the river if he calls turn????
I barrel Again. fs it's early stage, U can still recover. If he just calls he has either a monster or on a draw. U have to bet the river since U have no value in showdown.
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In a DoN i would fold AKs in early position that early in the tournament. As played you are lucky that he folded at the turn. Without a hit you would be lost at the river.
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Posted by shokaku: In a DoN i would fold AKs in early position that early in the tournament. As played you are lucky that he folded at the turn. Without a hit you would be lost at the river.
Hmmm i did that before in early folded AKo/AKs, but wots the damage to raise 90 chips with semi-monster?
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I really don't understand why U always have to play that safe imho. Postflopplay and also fire the turn fs. if he raises U muck, if he calls the turn U fire again on the river and same applies.
Don't be pussies imho. just watch the timing when he checks / calls / raises Timing tells online are so sexy. If U always play safe and only keep firing when U have a made hand, Ur boned in deeper stakes.
It's still so early in the tourney with so little blinds... be a man and 3 barrel
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Posted by shokaku:
Posted by doomdy: Hmmm i did that before in early folded AKo/AKs, but wots the damage to raise 90 chips with semi-monster?
You see it in this hand. A high at the flop, A high at the turn. And you have to risk 1/3 of you stack with hot air here.
True, i used to play it real real passive: Raise preflop the same, then on an air board i just giv up, too risky to get involved in too many chips, u get more/better opportunitys to get ur chips in?
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Posted by Flangel: I really don't understand why U always have to play that safe imho. Postflopplay and also fire the turn fs. if he raises U muck, if he calls the turn U fire again on the river and same applies.
Don't be pussies imho. just watch the timing when he checks / calls / raises Timing tells online are so sexy. If U always play safe and only keep firing when U have a made hand, Ur boned in deeper stakes.
It's still so early in the tourney with so little blinds... be a man and 3 barrel
Well, u have to understand its a DoN, u dont play to win, u play to survive
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If the player is decent and the bets U make are right, u can get him off the hand anyway
This is clearly a Fdraw or str8 / gutshot call he made.
If U preflop raise, continue firing strength. If he calls U on the flop, fire at least a second time.
this indicates U probably have a monster by firing again. It shows U are strong. I even played with 4 high against deepstack players and they mucked AA....
Size of the bets, the timing and seconds U take to pull the trigger, and the continuation of being aggro when U are the OR.
I won more with 3 barreling then just giving up on the turn.
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Posted by Flangel: It's still so early in the tourney with so little blinds... be a man and 3 barrel
I have no problem to 3 barrel with far less than ace high. But this is a DoN. So busting out is no option. And if you 3 barrel, you have donked off half of your stack, if opponent can beat ace high.
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Posted by doomdy:
Posted by shokaku:
Posted by doomdy: Hmmm i did that before in early folded AKo/AKs, but wots the damage to raise 90 chips with semi-monster?
You see it in this hand. A high at the flop, A high at the turn. And you have to risk 1/3 of you stack with hot air here.
True, i used to play it real real passive: Raise preflop the same, then on an air board i just giv up, too risky to get involved in too many chips, u get more/better opportunitys to get ur chips in?
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Posted by Flangel: I really don't understand why U always have to play that safe imho. Postflopplay and also fire the turn fs. if he raises U muck, if he calls the turn U fire again on the river and same applies.
Don't be pussies imho. just watch the timing when he checks / calls / raises Timing tells online are so sexy. If U always play safe and only keep firing when U have a made hand, Ur boned in deeper stakes.
It's still so early in the tourney with so little blinds... be a man and 3 barrel
Well, u have to understand its a DoN, u dont play to win, u play to survive
DoN or not, fs dont be pussies.
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Posted by shokaku:
Posted by Flangel: It's still so early in the tourney with so little blinds... be a man and 3 barrel
I have no problem to 3 barrel with far less than ace high. But this is a DoN. So busting out is no option. And if you 3 barrel, you have donked off half of your stack, if opponent can beat ace high.
On such a board , U must barrel since the chances are high he is flushing or str8ing.
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Posted by shokaku:
Posted by Flangel: It's still so early in the tourney with so little blinds... be a man and 3 barrel
I have no problem to 3 barrel with far less than ace high. But this is a DoN. So busting out is no option. And if you 3 barrel, you have donked off half of your stack, if opponent can beat ace high.
Its not about being a coward, but in my opinion, AK is played different in DoN than in regular SnG. In a regular I barrel anytime and try to make him muck any hand... In this spot I just play as you did, but check the turn, and if no FD or SD hits, then bet again. If he bets or reraises, muck...
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Posted by T3ddyKGB: what u mean by 3 barrel?
To barrel is to bluf, if he says 2 barrel is that you will bet on a bluff in flop and get called and in turn and hopfully see your opponent muck, to 3 barrel is to bet on flop, turn, and river with absolutely NOTHING and hope that Villian folds on river
to domdy
