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Fold AK with TopPairTopKicker (TPTK)  0   
$10 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, July 29, 17:28:03 BST 2009

Table Table 167860 (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button

Total number of players : 6

Seat 2: Faceal82 ( $10 USD )
Seat 1: benek222111 ( $11.17 USD )
Seat 3: erhooMaister ( $16.69 USD )
Seat 5: kikinho88 ( $10.41 USD )
Seat 6: milkycowbiz ( $3.06 USD )
Seat 4: peterr78 ( $14.19 USD )
Faceal82 posts small blind [$0.05 USD].
erhooMaister posts big blind [$0.10 USD].
peterr78 posts big blind + dead [0,15 $].

** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to erhooMaister [ A Diamond K Spade ]
peterr78 checks
kikinho88 folds
milkycowbiz folds
benek222111 calls [$0.10 USD]
Faceal82 calls [$0.05 USD]
erhooMaister checks
** Dealing Flop ** [ J Diamond, A Club, J Club ]
Faceal82 checks
erhooMaister checks
peterr78 checks
peterr78: Big dollars baby
benek222111 checks

** Dealing Turn ** [ 3 Diamond ]

Faceal82 bets [$0.32 USD]
erhooMaister calls [$0.32 USD]
peterr78 folds
benek222111 calls [$0.32 USD]

** Dealing River ** [ 5 Diamond ]

Faceal82 bets [$1 USD]
Your time bank will be activated in 6 secs. If you do not want it to be used, please act now.
erhooMaister will be using his time bank for this hand.
erhooMaister folds
benek222111 raises [$2 USD]
Faceal82 calls [$1 USD]
benek222111 shows [ 9 Diamond, 7 Diamond ]a flush, Jack high.
Faceal82 doesn't show [ J Heart, T Diamond ]three of a kind, Jacks.
benek222111 wins $5.14 USD from the main pot with a flush, Jack high.
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I knew it (bet pattern), that's why I folded AK.

     
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Raise preflop.

     
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You have made a big jump in 1 month, NL10 to NL100?

     
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i agree, raise preflop

     
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Yes, I did it in 5 days!! in PartyPoker! But in NL100 I only Play SSS. My 180$ last hands come from 50$ (with triple ups).
For M3Turbo: I din't raised PF cause I'm out of position and the player that limp the hand never fold to a raise PF, so was a waste of $ (they are to loose to fold a hand without flop)
PartyPoker = GoldMine

Edited by erhooPT (01 September 2009 @ 12:14 GMT)


     
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I see.
You posted a chart the outher day, ak = raise.
Too loose to fold a hand without a flop, all in. Big Smile

     
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No way buddy. With AKo i never put AllIn Preflop in cashgame!!
Even with QQ i dont do that when I'm deep!

     
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PF raise, never push allin PF

Fold imho easily

Liv ftw Heart

     
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"I din't raised PF cause I'm out of position and the player that limp the end never fold to a raise PF, so was a waste of $"

Your $ I'm guessing. That is exactly the reason to raise preflop. If the limper never folds to a raise, then charge them max for the flop. If the SB never folds either, well you have some fish here. Still raise preflop, 97s may call, would be very loose for JTo to call. Bet the flop, JT is not going away, but find it hard to believe 97s would call here. Without improving, I can see a straightforward check fold on the next streets.

     
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My all in was sarcastic, but playing SH surly you got to raise with AK in any position. FR for that matter.

     
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AKo 4-way? Not a good idea. So raise preflop to collect the limps and blinds. It is an easy bet on the flop then.

As played, fold river after the flush came in.

     
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Posted by klopmand:
"I din't raised PF cause I'm out of position and the player that limp the end never fold to a raise PF, so was a waste of $"

Your $ I'm guessing. That is exactly the reason to raise preflop. If the limper never folds to a raise, then charge them max for the flop. If the SB never folds either, well you have some fish here. Still raise preflop, 97s may call, would be very loose for JTo to call. Bet the flop, JT is not going away, but find it hard to believe 97s would call here. Without improving, I can see a straightforward check fold on the next streets.

I think you right Smile

     
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Posted by erhooPT:
Yes, I did it in 5 days!! in PartyPoker! But in NL100 I only Play SSS. My 180$ last hands come from 50$ (with triple ups).
For M3Turbo: I din't raised PF cause I'm out of position and the player that limp the hand never fold to a raise PF, so was a waste of $ (they are to loose to fold a hand without flop)
PartyPoker = GoldMine


that's exactly what you want to do, isolate the callstation and play heads up against him

     
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Posted by erhooPT:
For M3Turbo: I din't raised PF cause I'm out of position and the player that limp the hand never fold to a raise PF, so was a waste of $ (they are to loose to fold a hand without flop)
PartyPoker = GoldMine


We are not only raising good hands to win PF but also to build pot incase we hit. It sounds weird you don't want to raise because you know opponent will call with worse.....in my eyes that is what poker is about.

"With AKo i never put AllIn Preflop in cashgame"

I don't agree, simple example:

If your opponent 3bet shoves 13% you got 60% equity with AKo against his range and you already got money in the pot so a fold would be a leak in your game imo.

     
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Posted by M3turbo:
Posted by erhooPT:
For M3Turbo: I din't raised PF cause I'm out of position and the player that limp the hand never fold to a raise PF, so was a waste of $ (they are to loose to fold a hand without flop)
PartyPoker = GoldMine


We are not only raising good hands to win PF but also to build pot incase we hit. It sounds weird you don't want to raise because you know opponent will call with worse.....in my eyes that is what poker is about.

"With AKo i never put AllIn Preflop in cashgame"

I don't agree, simple example:

If your opponent 3bet shoves 13% you got 60% equity with AKo against his range and you already got money in the pot so a fold would be a leak in your game imo.


I totally agree.


It's too nit doesn't raise PF.
You're lossing money doing that. Don't think only in this particular hand, think what move has the best positive EV.

     
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as godlike says why wouldnt u isolate the calling station eh ??? makes no sense

see u at the PPtables Big Smile

     
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By not raising you make perfect scenario for drawing hands and worst scenario for AKo.

     
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I agree, raise preflop with AK everytime. I wouldn't change it up even if they were calling stations. Because now the other players at the table are seeing that u aren't going to play good hands strong and they will stay in to beat u with drawing hands for cheap. Don't focus on the calling stations but the rest of the table as well. They will see the callers get lucky from time to time, which happens it's poker, but they will know you are still playing good starting hands strong. The last thing u want is people to start calling the blinds with a lesser hand because we all know the more people in the pot the more the chance of someone flopping a better hand than u.

     
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How do u get value of ur good hands if u don't even raise AK in the BB, read every strategy book thats on the market and all will say raise AK in the BB. Own mistake Blink

     
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Raise AK preflop!

     
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