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Had A6 w/ flop AA6

should I be betting right away... how do you go about playing these hands.

     
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It depends on your image.

But normally I would check it to give my opponent a chance to pick up something. And I would not reraise until the river.

     
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Image

Its hard to tell how U play.
If ur an aggro player I would lead out again.
Check raise maybe, or check call for pot control.
If the opponents are LAG spasticz, u shud induce bluffz by checking anywayz.
Worst case he might have the case Ace and makes a better full on the turn and river.
Also the Board is a big factor
if the board is coloured and looks wet u can bet like ur going for a flushdraw.

There are too many factors atm how to tell U to complete and extract ur max value.
Liv ftw

Heart

     
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Like Flangel says there are too many factors to say what to do in general.

Personally I make my decision mainly based on my opponents style and ofcourse how connected the board is(drawy wise). In most cases I just cbet since my cbet frequency is very high so it would seem odd if I didn't (this also helps building the pot) Smile

@Flangel

"Check raise maybe, or check call for pot control."

What do you meen.....pot control a flopped house Confused

     
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Check call for pot control : Just U check if u he is aggro he bets and u call
U keep controllling it by check calling.

If he is a guy that barrels over and over again, u control the pot by checking and let him do the firing.
Thats how I get the most $$ out of it mostly.

Liv ftw Heart

     
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Either you or I misunderstand the term pot control. I pot control boards where I don't want to play for stack, not when I got "nuts". It may be you will get most out of the hand by CC'ing but I wouldn't call it "pot controlling".

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Checking to induce a bluff is not "pot controlling" imo.

Edited by M3turbo (07 September 2009 @ 00:56 GMT)


     
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THats the obvious part, ur right
but in cases like this u shud pretend what U dont have or what U want to get.
Thats why I call it sideways pot control.


Its the same as if it looks like ur on a flusdraw whilst having the nuts already
betting patterns are important.

I dunno how to explain it, but actually this hand cannot be discussed anyway due to too less factors.

I control the pot by check calling him according to aggro play.
Terms are bended, but the point is to get the most value out of it and pretend what U don't have.

Checking to induce bluff is not the same. But in the case U control the pot by let him betting out when u have the nuts postlfop.

Pot control is the art of manipulating the size of the pot based on the relative strength of your hand. “Relative strength of your hand” refers to how strong your hand is in comparison to the likely range of hands of your opponent. This means that the tighter your opponent is, the stronger hand you will need to play a big pot and the looser your opponent is, the weaker your hand can be to play a big pot.


Wich I want to state,, when u are strong, u must act weak, when ur weak u need to be strong.
Situations can change but it mostly depends on the image of the opponent.
I want to control it, 8/10

so i quite bend the term but it's still applicable imo.

Liv ftw
Heart

Edited by Flangel (07 September 2009 @ 01:05 GMT)


     
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It depends on your image, on the image of villian, how many villians are in the pot, did you or villian raise preflop and so on. So many different things! It takes time and practice to make the right decision and max the value! Blink

     
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"but in cases like this u shud pretend what U dont have or what U want to get"

That's just poker imo.

The term pot control is used when you think you got the best hand but don't want to play for stack. But I understand your "bend" now.

     
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Posted by M3turbo:
"but in cases like this u shud pretend what U dont have or what U want to get"

That's just poker imo.

The term pot control is used when you think you got the best hand but don't want to play for stack. But I understand your "bend" now.


Ye pot control is mainly used when ur up against 100-200BB players.

but mainly, i look at every term in diferent ways.

Liv ftw Heart

     
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Hehe I can't keep up with your edit's. Sleep tigtht

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Nice copy/paste by the way.....normally you use " mark when quote someone else. Just a hint Blink

Now it really is bed time....gotta be fresh for tomorrows grind Big Smile

Edited by M3turbo (07 September 2009 @ 01:22 GMT)


     
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This is why you're all much better players then me. I don't think of things like that at all, haha. But atleast I still usually manage to finish in the plusses Big Smile Big Smile

     
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Why are u in a hand with A6? Maybe BB special?

check call flop(probably checked behind), hope the turn hits villain, overbet the river, bluff like???

cbet the flop, they fold, arghhh!

Would still like to know why u are playing A6? Worst A, and generally crap.

Miracle flop aside, extracting value here is tough, unless villain has an A, or pp6, easy flop check, hope the Turn, brings in the draws, str, fl, like.

The fundamental problem, is why do you need to ask this ?

     
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I was just wondering...

I played A6 because I like to see flops and it was a cheap price.

     
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Check it and hope they can catch up a little, because if you fire away it would prob make them fold. I know I would fold on a flop like that if someone fired at it.

     
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In this situation it is unlikely that you get paid for your hand. There is not that much your opponent can hold, that can continue here. So against most opponents it would be best to check and let them catch something or bluff at the pot later on.

     
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Sometimes I try to make a 2/3pot bet after the flop hoping for a caller;
then after turn, expecially if I'm in position, I check or call other bet to show weakness and hoping for an oppo bluff
after river whatever has happened shove allin or to maximize pot or to hide my cards if oppo folds.

Now I ask to more expert players than me (flangel, shokaku, M3, bigfoot etc..):
Is it a donkplay? and why?

     
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see... everyone is telling you check, check-call, slowplay and s**t... so thats the expected thing to do... thats why you should bet... I mean I allways do... noone is going to put you on that strong of a hand and the drawers are gonna pay to make their hands... if there r no drawers than you wouldnt get payed for it anyway... Blink

     
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the nuts, max value? all in? 4 out of 10 times you get called and if you booth are deep there is no more max value then all his chips!

     
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Posted by 7zeljko7:
see... everyone is telling you check, check-call, slowplay and s**t... so thats the expected thing to do... thats why you should bet... I mean I allways do... noone is going to put you on that strong of a hand and the drawers are gonna pay to make their hands... if there r no drawers than you wouldnt get payed for it anyway... Blink


Nope I said bet in most cases Cool

     
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