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as roland showed the king then i have to say thathe made the mistake of not showing BOTH cards . but the other guy tried to play the rules having seen only the king. imho they are both WRONG. roland should have turned both cards but the other guy should have accepted that he was beaten by the king. unfortunately the final decision was not shown so ........................................................................................................................... gl roland
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the decision was that the q6 guy took the hand. you can see him with the pot in front of him and roland complaining.
what is weird is that they both played the hand bad and neither deserved to win. Roland was bluffing and made it so obvious that the other guy called with q high, but on the other hand you can't call a bluff with no hand whatsoever. That's ridiculous. The other guy should of admitted he had nothing on the river and folded.
Roland was obviously embarrassed that he got called and that he was playing K6 os. That's why he wouldn't show the other card, because he was ashamed of his kicker. He knew he played the hand wrong. The other guy was right to make him show it but played it really low to trick him into mucking it.
Still it was right for him to take the pot. Roland clearly mucked his cards. He flashed the King with no real conviction. This was not his challenge for the pot but a sign of defeat like you saying 'you caught me. i was bluffing.' It is not enough to show one card and take the pot unless your opponent then mucks his cards. If he would rather throw away his chances of taking the pot than show the crap he was prepared to play, that's his own fault. And if tobias hadn't shown his hand Roland would have been none the wiser and wouldn't have complained.
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Yeh, awood, i think the same, Roland is a big pro he makes a mistake, think pros like him cant make mistakes like this. He did muck so his hand is dead.
That's a messed up way to win the hand even though he was beat. But I guess the hand wasn't over til the show down was done and Rowland did stick his cards in the muck pile before the other cards were shown. Lesson learned the hard way
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You can't win a hand by mucking. So de Wolfe made a mistake. But his opponent made a mistake too. Was this a bluff call at the river? Q6 has no showdownvalue, even against a stone cold bluff. So if he thought de Wolfe was weak, he had to raise the river.
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I cant understand very well the language but seems like the fat guy in white is right, he only showed because guy in glasses said he would fold. And then he decides to turn his hand because he would have won, and everyone understood that, except the croupier...
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very unusual situation , never seen before on such high level , was poor played by both players , how could he call with nothing after the river anyway , in my opinion should roland have won because dealer returned the cards to him and it seems to me that the dealer also wanted that both players show the cards . must has happened with me think i would not have agree with the dicision made in advance off the Q 6 !!!
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was there an yverbal that roland laid down/mucked ( not to my hearing )but then my german is not so good ("nicht zehr gut" just to please the polish comunity) so tobias tries to take it down on a technicality!!!!!!!!!don't get that online
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They both played the hand bad and neither deserved to win... i dont get german language thats about it. But the final desision is ok besause the guy with K is a total smartass azhole so he desirve to loose. Next time he should be more profesional
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What an f ing BS but apparently the german seems to know the rules determined before the tournament begins. I'm guessing they have that rule writen somewhere
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Posted by doomdy: Yeh, awood, i think the same, Roland is a big pro he makes a mistake, think pros like him cant make mistakes like this. He did muck so his hand is dead.
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Roland makes the mistake, he should obv show both cards but before the cards are mucked he shows K and dealer turns over both cards when he tries to muck'em. It's very bad etiquette from the german player and I am amazed that anyone want to win a hand in that way.....Germany got powned.
If I was in that hand......left left right Germany would get a headache and M3turbo would be disqualified and brought to the detention
Germany would get a headache and M3turbo would be disqualified and brought to the detention 
