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Ireland casino can choose not to pay this man's €11,000 roulette win, and it's legal

Tags: D1 Casino, Ireland, Roulette, Sayed Mirwais.
Posted on Thursday, March 30, 2017 by "T".

Under Irish law, there is no legal guarantee that lucky gamblers will be paid their winnings, according to a judge in the Circuit Civil Court. Judge Francis Comerford made the verdict in a lawsuit brought about by the complainant, Sayed Mirwais, against Automatic Amusements Ltd which operates as D1 Casino as well as against casino director Michael Donnelly.

Sayed Mirwais, age 36, resident of St. Mary's Place, Phibsborough, Dublin, stated the casino refused to pay him despite his multiple requests.

John Smith BL, Mirwais' attorney, said that his client claimed that D1 Casino located at Lower Dorset Street, Dublin, had denied paying him his winnings of €11,713 that he got after placing many bets on one of their automated roulette machines.

On the eve of March 2 and 3, 2015, Mirwais first won around €7,500. When he wished to cash it out, he was only given €2,500 in cash and the rest were chips worth €5,000. He was then told that he should play more and he will be paid at the end of that evening.

The court heard that right after he won again worth €6,713 that night, Mirwais was instructed by a manager that he can cash out. However, when he went to the cashier counter, the cashier told him that they have no more cash available for the night so he will be paid the next day. He was also told that an engineer would later check the roulette machine he played on.

Unfair Commercial Practice
Mirwais stated he was allowed by the casino to continue playing on the automated roulette machine in the hopes that he would lose, because the casino really had no intention of paying him for any of his wins. He said this constituted an unfair commercial practice.

Liam Bell BL, in defense of the casino, responded to Mirwais' statement, saying that there had been a ‘suspiciously high amount of money lost by that roulette machine'.

Mirwais denied that there was a flaw in the machine that let him play even if the screen indicated ‘no more bets' could be placed. Also, the casino claimed that he had been ‘under observation'.

The casino suspected that Mirwais altered the screen layout from single to double play mode so that he can switch a bet which had been placed in a previous game, letting him place a bet even when the roulette ball had already been settled. All that time, he had been unaware of this machine malfunction.

A Huge Jackpot (or is it?)
Did you know that in the United States, state laws normally protect casinos from machine errors?
Last October, a lady in New York thought she won a $42.9 million jackpot from a slot machine, only to be told later by Resorts World in Queens that the slot machine was programmed to pay out only a maximum of $6,500. Instead of becoming an instant millionaire, the single mom of four was only given the $2.25 win and a meal voucher for a steak dinner.

All of the slot machines in New York show a posted disclosure that says, "Malfunction voids all pays and plays." What's worse, state law bars a casino from giving the max payout when a machine error occurs.

A Huge Disappointment
Mirwais, an Afghan refugee who in his home country qualified as a doctor, said at court that the night before the incident, he had already lost €9,000 in the same casino. Therefore, he had won the money ‘fairly and squarely'.
He told the court, "When I was losing my money, the machine was ok and the casino was happy to take it, but when I won, they wanted to investigate."

Judge Comerford explained that one needs to have a considerable amount of trust to place a bet on an automated gaming machine when one can't see what's happening. For that, the judge said he shall rely on the Gaming and Lottery Act 1956, which states that "no action shall lie for the recovery of any money or thing which is alleged to be won."

The judge further stated, "If you happen to be too lucky while placing a bet or gambling, the person can simply say ‘no you're not entitled to the money'. That is simply the law in Ireland."

He then dismissed Mirwais' claim and also refused the casino's application for their legal costs on the basis that they had only provided, by way of investigating, 10 minutes' worth of CCTV footage of that disputed night.

Source:
http://calvinayre.com/2017/03/20/casino/irish-court-gambling-debts-unenforceable/

 


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23 comments for "Ireland casino can choose not to pay this man''s €11,000 roulette win, and it''s legal"

 pochui3/30/2017 10:32:37 AM GMT
as if we needed another reason for not going to a casino... yeah this is crap, but you have to understand that such situations as malfunction do happen and it's a normal practise to void all winnings in such scenario i think. you probably feel that casino found another way to screw you, but they didn't, they already have more than enough ways for fcuking you inside out.
 Mober3/30/2017 7:06:46 PM GMT
Go figure this one again.
if the law cant protect you from getting the winnings, then what is the point playing after all.
So that you can "gamble" later on taking on what is yours or not?
Thats a double gamble here.
Are they trying to get your money? Smile
 Gerimantas3/30/2017 8:06:03 PM GMT
I think tht casino are always looking for ways to not pay winners their money, they just hate when people win, this is the truth, i saw many times in casino when some player wins bigger money all the croupiers are looking at him as he is a criminal and stole their money
 bowie19843/30/2017 8:45:13 PM GMT
OMG so many freakin' bull$hitting from both sides. First afghan refugess running around 10k euros to put them into roulette machines, second a goddamn casino either cannot or will not cut a check for him about his winnings. Shame. Let's not even speak about the judge who clearly stuck in the 50s as well.
 pajalnick3/31/2017 12:01:06 AM GMT
I hate such stories .... when "When I lose money, the device was OK, and the casino was glad to accept it, but when I won, they wanted to explore." ... and this is very common ... I myself faced a similar situation, but a little different - I was paid a prize but insistently demanded some of this money ... unsuccessfully))))
 doubletop7773/31/2017 8:10:33 AM GMT
Its crazy that this casino can get away without paying this guy and it is all legal. If he had lost, they definitely would not have given his money back and it all leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
 DaCapo713/31/2017 9:43:12 AM GMT
Unbelievable and this can happen in the middle of Europe... This was the best reason to play not in casinos in Ireland and i hope this Casini goes bankrupt verry fast. Which player will play there after this news? I think only the manic gambler.
 pochui3/31/2017 1:30:40 PM GMT
well lets not go piling sh1t on the casino shall we, lets give the poor casino a break (wow what a piece of crap i am writing, cannot believe myself), still we have to keep our brains functioning and understand that this is not table games, this is slots, and slot is just a machine which goes to sh1t mode at some point just like any other machinery, so when this happens casino should have a right to not pay out the winnings, of course it should compensate the losses to those who played on the machine previously that day too.
 dule-vu3/31/2017 3:38:18 PM GMT
I really hope that this casino will be closed or that they will go bankrupt and if country and politic cant do anything to them or they dont want to make law that will procetect players,then players must punish them and they must stop playing there!
 damosk3/31/2017 4:07:21 PM GMT
The complications heaped upon legislation by the development of technology. What a crazy world we live in when people can avoid expense by claiming th machine was faulty. Would it work the other way for example if I claimed that I had lost because the machine was faulty and I should have won $xxxx.xx? .
 Mober3/31/2017 7:21:36 PM GMT
Yea pajal is right about it.
When only losing money the machines work as they shoud Smile
When you win, there is something wrong with them of course.
Cause this wasnt supposed to happen Smile
Something went wrong with all that programming Blink
 pajalnick4/1/2017 12:02:09 AM GMT
Posted by Mober:
Yea pajal is right about it.
When only losing money the machines work as they shoud Smile
When you win, there is something wrong with them of course.
Cause this wasnt supposed to happen Smile
Something went wrong with all that programming Blink

I wonder if I lose and start accusing the casino of having broken software and demanding money back, what will the reaction of casino employees be? Will they immediately beat me or do it in the parking lot?
 vaskarch234/1/2017 10:46:53 AM GMT
so guys just tell me this one thing.. why should anyone play in the casino? just for losing money? if so there are many ways to spend one's money which are both thrillful and noble
 T3ddyKGB4/1/2017 11:58:25 AM GMT
Posted by vaskarch23:
so guys just tell me this one thing.. why should anyone play in the casino? just for losing money?


i have not read entirely the story, but yea.. going into a casino means losing money for fun.
anything you play is adjusted to make you lose - simple lol. if your winner, well, then be happy cause the probality is nearly the same as being hit by a meteor. Smile
 dule-vu4/1/2017 3:48:42 PM GMT
seems to be that in this casino you are in lost on every way,no matter when you are losing money or you winning!but to stay that machine dont work properly its not normal!somebody give them licence and this should be stoped or people just could stop to play in this casino!
 pochui4/1/2017 4:57:00 PM GMT
well it's a good question from our fellow mobbit coming from the wonderful lands of Bangladesh, why on earth would someone go to a casino apart from losing money? well i personally visit our local casino on fridays, since this is the day when one particular casino is offering free drinks (not just soft sh1t, but real alcohol) to its players... you can drink all you can sustain... of course you lose all the money at the tables, but i bring just 10 euros max and basically get lots of super cheap vodka for this tenner
 pajalnick4/2/2017 12:20:43 AM GMT
I went to the casino primarily to have fun .. and of course if I won it it was a holiday for me .... but the situation when I won and I was told that it was a mistake I did not have .... but after in My country has closed all casinos this problem and will not arise)))
 bowie19844/2/2017 12:31:15 AM GMT
Posted by vaskarch23:
so guys just tell me this one thing.. why should anyone play in the casino? just for losing money? if so there are many ways to spend one's money which are both thrillful and noble

tbh not much noble things left untouched on this earth and everybody getting thrills from something else than the others... it was his money, now its not.
 Gerimantas4/2/2017 8:24:30 AM GMT
I dont think people play in casino to lose money vascarch23, everyone who go there want to win, yes chance are not too good, but people play in lotteries and there is even less chance to win, so casino is better in this situation, some people just don't know any other way of earning bug money, so they dream of winning millions in casino's or lotteries
 Tony_MON7ANA4/2/2017 10:17:15 AM GMT
Casinos can come up with any reason (legitimate or not) not to compensate their customers. I don't have the slightest knowledge of Irish gambling laws. I wonder if the issues here are isolated to this specific establishment in Ireland.
 pochui4/2/2017 7:19:32 PM GMT
well tony whatever from Japan (flashfaust's relative huh..) when casinos do up up with reasons to not compensate their customers, they are actually like 99% are legitimate, and the remaining 1% is due to the fact that their lawyers messed up somewhere and will have their balls snapped off for this reason, and the case will be won anyway with the second attempt with the help of lawyers who still have their balls in place.
 Tony_MON7ANA4/3/2017 1:35:23 AM GMT
Posted by pochui:
well tony whatever from Japan (flashfaust's relative huh..) when casinos do up up with reasons to not compensate their customers, they are actually like 99% are legitimate, and the remaining 1% is due to the fact that their lawyers messed up somewhere and will have their balls snapped off for this reason, and the case will be won anyway with the second attempt with the help of lawyers who still have their balls in place.

Thank you very much for reinforcing my point. Not all cases are ethically justifiable.
99%? Where did you get that number? Can you list 1,000 or more similar cases in Ireland?

And as to flashfaust, yeah, I haven't seen him for a long time on this forum. Maybe he moved to some remote country whose cost of living is relatively cheap.
Wishing him the best for his future.
 dule-vu4/3/2017 9:39:58 AM GMT
well now when I thinking,I play lot of paddy power and this company is from ireland and I know that at promotions in terms they have one rules that they have right to cancel or ban somebody from bonus or promotion if they decide!I dont know that this happen ever,but still they have that rule!

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