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Russian Player Suspected of Being a Bot Makes It To PokerStars' TCOOP Final Table

Tags: poker bot.
Posted on Wednesday, February 03, 2016 by "T".

A few days after PokerStars announced that they will be seriously implementing strong measures to prevent cheating amongst players, a bot-scandal suddenly reared its ugly head at the final table of Event #8 of its high-profile tournament festival, the TCOOP (Turbo Championship of Online Poker).

Even if these suspicions have not been thoroughly confirmed, a series of odd events that transpired during the final heads-up deal negotiations have implied that something fishy may be going on.

Based on the chat log posted on the 2+2 forum, it showed that both players were able to pause the tournament by clicking on the "make a deal button" with the intent to divide the remaining prize pool.

During the chat conversation, player ‘LuckboxStami' was the first one to type and asked to view the ICM numbers. After giving out the figures, the moderator made it clear that he will receive $40,393.85 while his opponent ‘IvanHaldi' will get $39,450.15

Satisfied with the deal, ‘LuckboxStami' replied quickly, stating that he agrees with the arrangement. However, there was no response whatsoever from the Russian player ‘IvanHaldi' even though there were several private and public messages being made to him by the moderator.

After 30 minutes passed by with zero response from him and hoping that the tournament must be resume as soon as possible, the moderator even asked another colleague who can speak Russian to contact ‘IvanHaldi' via the telephone number registered on his account, to no avail.
An hour later and still no response from the Russian player, the moderator decided to resume the tournament, sparking a community-wide assumption that the opponent did not respond mainly because a real human was actually not in control of the account.

Despite the uproar, the event hosts of PokerStars were quick in their response, and after a comprehensive investigation on bot detection, they have released a statement saying that they are confident the player bearing the account name ‘IvanHaldi' is genuine, as mentioned in the chat history, "But only human players can tick the deal option as far as I know."

The hosts carried out the following measures: collected interaction and chat history, scanned for prohibited third party software, looked at playing sessions, hand tendencies, and probable human errors made in the past. Though they don't have a concrete explanation as to why ‘IvanHaldi' did not participate in the discussions even if he clicked the "make a deal" button, their investigation led to the conclusion: the player account is indeed human, albeit just a quiet one.

Even if ‘Luckboxstami' wasn't able to close the deal, instead of getting $40,394 plus a chance to get another $4,000 for the winner, he won the tournament for a much bigger amount, which is $48,042.


source: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29/news-views-gossip-sponsored-online-poker-report/bot-final-table-tcoop-08-a-1584765/

 

 


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18 comments for "Russian Player Suspected of Being a Bot Makes It To PokerStars'' TCOOP Final Table"

 bowie19842/3/2016 1:00:04 PM GMT
Aaand this is why we don't make deals. Not even with a presumed pokerbot. Eventually 'our hero' took down the tournament and made 20% more money with it - he just wanted to make a deal 2 save time.
 StheP2/3/2016 1:30:45 PM GMT
I dont think its boot, can someone give me url to 2+2 thread? Bot couldnt check "make a deal" box and if it could, why would he, when he cannot discuss deal? I think its just russian who doesnt speak english, and maybe gived wrong phone number... or in worste case he could be younger than 18 and playing on some other id (maybe his father) and thats why he couldnt answer...
 Serpang2/3/2016 2:04:40 PM GMT
Posted by StheP:
I dont think its boot, can someone give me url to 2+2 thread? Bot couldnt check "make a deal" box and if it could, why would he, when he cannot discuss deal? I think its just russian who doesnt speak english, and maybe gived wrong phone number... or in worste case he could be younger than 18 and playing on some other id (maybe his father) and thats why he couldnt answer...


Or he never saw chat box. Many times I did cause chat box is very small for me and too fast. Even I
know someone chatting I ignore it. Just make me busy for nothing if I had to check. Chat should be
appear on the table.
 xxxpokerxxx12/3/2016 3:17:35 PM GMT
Posted by StheP:
I dont think its boot, can someone give me url to 2+2 thread? Bot couldnt check "make a deal" box and if it could, why would he, when he cannot discuss deal? I think its just russian who doesnt speak english, and maybe gived wrong phone number... or in worste case he could be younger than 18 and playing on some other id (maybe his father) and thats why he couldnt answer...



I think this may have been the case,but we won't really ever Know i guess
 StheP2/3/2016 3:44:45 PM GMT
well no matter how good bot is, it surely cant get to FT of this major tournament... thats for sure...
 Theapple2/4/2016 11:08:39 AM GMT
well, its stars we are talking about here, so no big surprise imo Big Smile Plus it really doesnt make much difference if its a bot or real player, most russians play like bots anyways so yeah Big Smile
 pochui2/4/2016 11:18:11 AM GMT
what's the problem here- i mean i heard that poker pros are so good that they can read your cards from the sound of your fart, now they are complaining that there was a bot playing against them on the final table... doesn't that make it a complete victim... who can defend the rights of the bot... bot workers union, where r u?
 bowie19842/4/2016 1:42:49 PM GMT
Posted by Theapple:
well, its stars we are talking about here, so no big surprise imo Big Smile Plus it really doesnt make much difference if its a bot or real player, most russians play like bots anyways so yeah Big Smile

And PS is the SkyNet of onlinepoker - it is known since years. Makes sense with this many bots in place.
 marqis2/4/2016 3:31:52 PM GMT
"But only human players can tick the deal option as far as I know."
Why would that be, bots can click all the other buttons, so it might just be a bug in the bot software that accidentally clicks the make a deal button. Most likely deal making does not occur when testing the bot software, so it's not far fetched that the bot may not correctly handle that situation...
 StheP2/4/2016 3:59:26 PM GMT
Posted by marqis:
"But only human players can tick the deal option as far as I know."
Why would that be, bots can click all the other buttons, so it might just be a bug in the bot software that accidentally clicks the make a deal button. Most likely deal making does not occur when testing the bot software, so it's not far fetched that the bot may not correctly handle that situation...

why would you program bot to click deal option when he doesnt know to negotiate, and not even chat... it would be complete nonsence to make bot that can select "make a deal" box... I dont think bot could ever think close as good to play like professional poker player, I even doubt if they can make bot that can beat regular poker player, so its imposible to make bot that can end up on FT of this major event...
 xxxpokerxxx12/4/2016 4:10:21 PM GMT
Posted by StheP:
Posted by marqis:
"But only human players can tick the deal option as far as I know."
Why would that be, bots can click all the other buttons, so it might just be a bug in the bot software that accidentally clicks the make a deal button. Most likely deal making does not occur when testing the bot software, so it's not far fetched that the bot may not correctly handle that situation...

why would you program bot to click deal option when he doesnt know to negotiate, and not even chat... it would be complete nonsence to make bot that can select "make a deal" box... I dont think bot could ever think close as good to play like professional poker player, I even doubt if they can make bot that can beat regular poker player, so its imposible to make bot that can end up on FT of this major event...



Nothing is impossible today,it may have been a glitch in the bot programing,or it could have been an underage person,who did not understand,but either way Ps phoned this person's home and no answer,but they are satisified,that this a real person account.....lol...of course its real person account..maybe this person was out partying at the time of the final table...lol...Ps the only place where you can have multiple accounts,and cheat, win and still get paid... Worship
 xgcsnippy2/4/2016 4:44:36 PM GMT
yeap every bot I report is a human player......i dont understand how someone can play 150, 000 sit n goes a year or more and be on the computer the whole time.....I mean unless they are strung out meth addicts.!
 pinotte2/4/2016 5:04:39 PM GMT
Yes there is something very strange in this case they tried to chat with him in English and even in Russian and never had an answer. They also tried by phone and no answer. After investigations they said that the account was a human account but never found who was playing on this tournament.

For sure it take a human to open an account and give informations and identifications but what he is doing with this account then will never know and Stars is paying. Big Smile Big Smile Big Smile
 marqis2/4/2016 7:16:03 PM GMT
Posted by StheP:
Posted by marqis:
"But only human players can tick the deal option as far as I know."
Why would that be, bots can click all the other buttons, so it might just be a bug in the bot software that accidentally clicks the make a deal button. Most likely deal making does not occur when testing the bot software, so it's not far fetched that the bot may not correctly handle that situation...

why would you program bot to click deal option when he doesnt know to negotiate, and not even chat... it would be complete nonsence to make bot that can select "make a deal" box... I dont think bot could ever think close as good to play like professional poker player, I even doubt if they can make bot that can beat regular poker player, so its imposible to make bot that can end up on FT of this major event...

You presume that the bot intended to click the button. I'm just saying, if it were a bot, that the programmer most likely did not account for the possibility of deal making, and the bot software simply did not handle this exceptional situation correctly.

I don't believe that it's very likely that there are bots that beat the field easily, but I do believe that it would be possible to program a bot that makes a profit. If that is the case it would not be too far fetched that once in a while it would win a MTT.
 mascona2/5/2016 6:17:57 AM GMT
There is a very simple explanation of that whole situation.
It's VODKA !!!!!
 bowie19842/5/2016 1:55:43 PM GMT
Posted by xgcsnippy:
yeap every bot I report is a human player......i dont understand how someone can play 150, 000 sit n goes a year or more and be on the computer the whole time.....I mean unless they are strung out meth addicts.!

Nope, just a grinder gang spinning one account/alias while actually 4-5 different guys using it from the same house. It's not something unheard of.
 damosk2/5/2016 11:23:37 PM GMT
Wow. The world has literally gone crazy. Who knows what the answer is, but like a certain resident of a rather large premise in London, England, who doesn't need to be there, he too decides not to come out and provide a rational explanation for his behaviour, but let's others take the flack for what they have or have not done.
 TheMachineQC2/7/2016 12:42:33 AM GMT
Texas Hold'em is a pretty simple game, and a machine doesn't have emotions so it always makes rational choices. I'm sure there has been many successfull bots over the years that haven't been caught. But nowadays it must be getting harder and harder to do. And even if the bot makes good decisions, he still has to win the pots...

I don't think bots could make deals, but maybe the guy running the bot can take control to click it.

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