| Mober | 12/02/2019 16:43:33 GMT |
With no doubt, he will have to watch every single move he is making from now on,
regarding his fortune in general.
No to mention that, he will probably getting blocked in some casinos.
Why he should be welcomed after all, after what he has done.
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| bowie1984 | 12/02/2019 20:14:35 GMT |
Posted by Mober:
With no doubt, he will have to watch every single move he is making from now on,
regarding his fortune in general. |
I am not sure why this PR nightmare was worth fighting through for him. Those millions he hides now will cost him much more down the line with a tarnished reputation.
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| misteriopj | 13/02/2019 18:08:37 GMT |
| This story continues for a long time but, well, the casinos should be aware of the cards, dice or any other thing used in their casinos to avoid these problems since it was not cheating they observed a flaw and took advantage
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| CALICUL | 13/02/2019 23:19:49 GMT |
Posted by misteriopj:
This story continues for a long time but, well, the casinos should be aware of the cards, dice or any other thing used in their casinos to avoid these problems since it was not cheating they observed a flaw and took advantage |
When you notice a defect in playing cards, you can not ask for a player's money, who won in several months. This casino could not know if Phil Ivey knows someone from the cards firm. They saw this defect and thought to ask for the player's money. This is not normal and if i was the judge of this case i declaring Phil Ivey winner of this process. 
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| bowie1984 | 14/02/2019 18:00:03 GMT |
Posted by CALICUL: Posted by misteriopj:
This story continues for a long time but, well, the casinos should be aware of the cards, dice or any other thing used in their casinos to avoid these problems since it was not cheating they observed a flaw and took advantage |
When you notice a defect in playing cards, you can not ask for a player's money, who won in several months. This casino could not know if Phil Ivey knows someone from the cards firm. They saw this defect and thought to ask for the player's money. This is not normal and if i was the judge of this case i declaring Phil Ivey winner of this process. |
They proved it during the trial that he had unfair advantage compared to the house/other players by using this technique so this case was not just about asking their money back and so on...
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| Gerimantas | 15/02/2019 11:39:10 GMT |
Yes it is interesting situation and i personally think that phil ivey is make good move and hide his money from casino and ni chance to get 10 millions back. But now look like some money casino found but not know how much
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Yes it is interesting situation and i personally think that phil ivey is make good move and hide his money from casino and ni chance to get 10 millions back. But now look like some money casino found but not know how much
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Yes it is interesting situation and i personally think that phil ivey is make good move and hide his money from casino and ni chance to get 10 millions back. But now look like some money casino found but not know how much
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| dule-vu | 15/02/2019 13:26:38 GMT |
Posted by bowie1984:
They never going to be able to get this. All of his moveable assets are either offshore or out of their jurisdiction right now. Ivey is not gonna be able to make business moves in the US ever again without the IRS breathing down his neck if he won't pay and declares bankruptcy. |
yes,if he dont pay it,his life is finished in USA,I mean in way for making money,making transactions with bank and so on!he knewt from start that he cant beat system and law,not he is on end or road!I understand its big money for him to back,but better to give back them this and to have normal life,then this!
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| bowie1984 | 15/02/2019 18:05:24 GMT |
Posted by dule-vu:
yes,if he dont pay it,his life is finished in USA,I mean in way for making money,making transactions with bank and so on!he knewt from start that he cant beat system and law,not he is on end or road!I understand its big money for him to back,but better to give back them this and to have normal life,then this! |
I am not worrying about him - he will be able to live off his name recognition and offshore opportunities for the rest of his life, but yeah - good luck finding a domestic casino with open arms towards him after this...
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| CALICUL | 15/02/2019 23:21:09 GMT |
Posted by bowie1984:
They proved it during the trial that he had unfair advantage compared to the house/other players by using this technique so this case was not just about asking their money back and so on...
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You realize with as much ambition these players are tracked by casinos when they win
I think the casino manager jumps up with joy when he catches a cheater and he know that the player will have to return that money for the casino owner. Probably has a reward when he catches a cheater. 
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| Gerimantas | 16/02/2019 14:37:59 GMT |
| Yes very good point that phil ivey career in usa in poker is over because if not find money here in his companies any moneys he win be confiscated so not good business to play in usa. Maybe it is not important to ivey.
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| dule-vu | 16/02/2019 15:40:07 GMT |
Posted by bowie1984: Posted by dule-vu:
yes,if he dont pay it,his life is finished in USA,I mean in way for making money,making transactions with bank and so on!he knewt from start that he cant beat system and law,not he is on end or road!I understand its big money for him to back,but better to give back them this and to have normal life,then this! |
I am not worrying about him - he will be able to live off his name recognition and offshore opportunities for the rest of his life, but yeah - good luck finding a domestic casino with open arms towards him after this... |
well thats problem,his career in america is finished if he dont back this money,but ofcourse he have enough money to go anywhere in the world to buy house and to live and play poker or whatever he want till rest of life!but if he want to do something in america,then he can forget!
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| Nightkid | 18/02/2019 13:15:07 GMT |
Well here we see that not everyone is doing well hahaha they are harassing him so he can charge what he owes me to remind the collectors or places to get something in installments and for reasons you can not pay or finish paying and they start with lawyers and getting interests hahaha 
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| CALICUL | 19/02/2019 07:31:28 GMT |
| I have the impression like Phil Ivey he does not want to pay this money because it is painful for him to lose so many millions of dollars. Is very difficult for most professional players if they were in his place. His misfortune was that Borgata won the process. He does not want to accept the decision and he hopes for a miracle, to stay with the money.
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| Mober | 19/02/2019 12:19:59 GMT |
Wonder what will happen, if for example he takes place in a WSOP tournament in usa,
and then wins big. Will he be able to take the money, or they will confiscate his winnings?
Not that it will be a big problem for him though.
With so many tournaments running all over the planet, it will just be one event minus.
That if he wont be able to participate.
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| Nightkid | 19/02/2019 14:54:20 GMT |
I think I see it wrong hahaha if you win some nice event it is possible that you confiscate the money earned by the debt ... it would be more logical I think unless you already have the money and just do not want to drop and pay what what should I do for abaro hahaha 
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| CALICUL | 20/02/2019 07:33:18 GMT |
I do not know if the bankruptcy solution is good. It's possible that she should go only if Phil Ivey is a corporation or a firm. Unfortunately for him he is not and if he does not pay the money for Borgata then he will migrate in Asia to Macao. He will have strong people to play with him. 
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| dule-vu | 20/02/2019 09:00:34 GMT |
| he can forget on playing at WSOP and to try to win something!everything can just be taken from him,in america everything is connected and ofcourse they will take right away this money till they make to this 10 millions!he will have much more problems in future if he dont pay it!
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| pajalnick | 20/02/2019 17:27:04 GMT |
| it is rather strange that the casino cannot recover the money that it had seized .... it seemed to me that it was quite easy .... Elementary blocking of bank accounts .... or forced withdrawal of funds from bank accounts .... But apparently his bank account classified once this situation
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| bowie1984 | 20/02/2019 18:26:37 GMT |
Posted by CALICUL:
I have the impression like Phil Ivey he does not want to pay this money because it is painful for him to lose so many millions of dollars. Is very difficult for most professional players if they were in his place. |
Well, imagine how painful was to the casino makin' out that eight figures check to him that night in the first place - which is probably the reason they've looked into his play agter that.
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| CALICUL | 23/02/2019 08:26:57 GMT |
| Everywhere is painful for casinos when losing large amounts of money. Often they become nervous and researching very good on the video cameras. When they discover something, i think they clashing champagne glasses of happiness. I wonder what Ivey will do in this case.
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| dule-vu | 23/02/2019 17:23:03 GMT |
| its strange that they didnt check his play before they payed him or to watch on cameras how he play at that moment!he is famous player,but they could still check him right away,not after they pay him this huge amount!but anyway,he lost this and casino want money back!
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| Mober | 23/02/2019 18:34:41 GMT |
It is not a single game that they played.
You either watch a game and refuse to pay at once, or you pay the players.
What do you think casinos do? Saying to the patrons, hold on to check the cameras first
if everything was according to our rules, and then will pay you?
The payouts are instant.
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| CALICUL | 27/02/2019 08:32:09 GMT |
| Unfortunately for Phil Ivey his life in casinos begins to be worse. It will not take long and he will begin to be restricted in casinos in my opinion. I think these casinos there will be allies against him and he will only play in other countries who will accept this. The life of Phil Ivey in casinos will be better if he will pay the debt.
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| dule-vu | 27/02/2019 09:13:23 GMT |
| they have that kind of laws in america,that even if they pay you,they can still take your money from you if they want and if they find some mistake in your play!but ofcourse its strange that they didnt find out before they payed him this 10 millions!
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| Mober | 28/02/2019 10:38:49 GMT |
And again, because the payouts are instant.
In order to see what is going on there you have to study the whole play.
You cant understand live what is going on.
If that was the case they wouldnt be doing it, in the first place.
What is the point on that, getting caught in the act.
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