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Heres some from loose session i played. Dont do this with your money.
Full Tilt Poker Game #5238290995: Table Antelope Creek - $0.05/$0.10 - Pot Limit Hold'em - 9:55:53 ET - 2008/02/13 Seat 1: guoshouyi ($1.85) Seat 2: lucasciuc ($6.10) Seat 3: XRiverMePleaseX ($6.25) Seat 4: Dimitri4610 ($2.90) Seat 5: Predobar ($9.60) Seat 6: Rock Vegas69 ($9.05) Seat 7: GAN241 ($10) Seat 8: MGM2000 ($4.80) Seat 9: WPP ($4.10) Rock Vegas69 posts the small blind of $0.05 GAN241 posts the big blind of $0.10 The button is in seat #5 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to Predobar [4d 4s] MGM2000 folds WPP raises to $0.20 guoshouyi folds lucasciuc folds XRiverMePleaseX folds Dimitri4610 folds Predobar calls $0.20 Rock Vegas69 calls $0.15 GAN241 calls $0.10 *** FLOP *** [2h Qd 5h] Rock Vegas69 checks GAN241 checks WPP checks Predobar checks *** TURN *** [2h Qd 5h] Rock Vegas69 checks GAN241 checks WPP checks Predobar bets $0.80 Rock Vegas69 folds GAN241 raises to $3.20 MGM2000 has been disconnected MGM2000 has reconnected WPP folds Predobar: am i Predobar has 15 seconds left to act Predobar calls $2.40 *** RIVER *** [2h Qd 5h 4h] GAN241 bets $6.60, and is all in Predobar calls $6.20, and is all in Uncalled bet of $0.40 returned to GAN241 *** SHOW DOWN *** GAN241 shows [Ah 9h] a flush, Ace high Predobar shows [4d 4s] a full house, Fours full of Queens Predobar wins the pot ($17.65) with a full house, Fours full of Queens *** SUMMARY *** Total pot $19.60 | Rake $1.95 Board: [2h Qd 5h 4h Qh] Seat 1: guoshouyi didn't bet (folded) Seat 2: lucasciuc didn't bet (folded) Seat 3: XRiverMePleaseX didn't bet (folded) Seat 4: Dimitri4610 didn't bet (folded) Seat 5: Predobar (button) showed [4d 4s] and won ($17.65) with a full house, Fours full of Queens Seat 6: Rock Vegas69 (small blind) folded on the Turn Seat 7: GAN241 (big blind) showed [Ah 9h] and lost with a flush, Ace high Seat 8: MGM2000 didn't bet (folded) Seat 9: WPP folded on the Turn
You can connect this to that anyone know the odds thread.
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Nice river! Did you feel he hit his flush on the turn? You had around 10 outs so I guess it wasn´t one of those river miracles. I love when these kinds of hands win! Good job Predo, loose play paid off.
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well the thing is if you will play like this in longer time period it will cost you more .. but i do this sometimes too if i feel like i have good ods and raise isnt that big and i have good session
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Heres some from loose session i played. Dont do this with your money.
Full Tilt Poker Game #5238290995: Table Antelope Creek - $0.05/$0.10 - Pot Limit Hold'em - 9:55:53 ET - 2008/02/13 Seat 1: guoshouyi ($1.85) Seat 2: lucasciuc ($6.10) Seat 3: XRiverMePleaseX ($6.25) Seat 4: Dimitri4610 ($2.90) Seat 5: Predobar ($9.60) Seat 6: Rock Vegas69 ($9.05) Seat 7: GAN241 ($10) Seat 8: MGM2000 ($4.80) Seat 9: WPP ($4.10) Rock Vegas69 posts the small blind of $0.05 GAN241 posts the big blind of $0.10 The button is in seat #5 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to Predobar [4d 4s] MGM2000 folds WPP raises to $0.20 guoshouyi folds lucasciuc folds XRiverMePleaseX folds Dimitri4610 folds Predobar calls $0.20 Rock Vegas69 calls $0.15 GAN241 calls $0.10 *** FLOP *** [2h Qd 5h] Rock Vegas69 checks GAN241 checks WPP checks Predobar checks *** TURN *** [2h Qd 5h] Rock Vegas69 checks GAN241 checks WPP checks Predobar bets $0.80 Rock Vegas69 folds GAN241 raises to $3.20 MGM2000 has been disconnected MGM2000 has reconnected WPP folds Predobar: am i Predobar has 15 seconds left to act Predobar calls $2.40 *** RIVER *** [2h Qd 5h 4h] GAN241 bets $6.60, and is all in Predobar calls $6.20, and is all in Uncalled bet of $0.40 returned to GAN241 *** SHOW DOWN *** GAN241 shows [Ah 9h] a flush, Ace high Predobar shows [4d 4s] a full house, Fours full of Queens Predobar wins the pot ($17.65) with a full house, Fours full of Queens *** SUMMARY *** Total pot $19.60 | Rake $1.95 Board: [2h Qd 5h 4h Qh] Seat 1: guoshouyi didn't bet (folded) Seat 2: lucasciuc didn't bet (folded) Seat 3: XRiverMePleaseX didn't bet (folded) Seat 4: Dimitri4610 didn't bet (folded) Seat 5: Predobar (button) showed [4d 4s] and won ($17.65) with a full house, Fours full of Queens Seat 6: Rock Vegas69 (small blind) folded on the Turn Seat 7: GAN241 (big blind) showed [Ah 9h] and lost with a flush, Ace high Seat 8: MGM2000 didn't bet (folded) Seat 9: WPP folded on the Turn
that game is too loose so i have to say that i dont like it dont play this way
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Posted by thefodz: Nice river! Did you feel he hit his flush on the turn? You had around 10 outs so I guess it wasn't one of those river miracles. I love when these kinds of hands win! Good job Predo, loose play paid off.
I knew he had flush when flop came out thats why i wrote that "am I" in chatbox. We had some conversation earlier and he said i was crazy doing calls i did. You can see i raised 0.80 trying to bluff that other guy out if he had a Ah and to check if i could bluff him for an Ace high flush if I dont hit nuts on river. It was luck because guy played really badly and got so happy when he got that Ace high fulsh he thought he had the nuts.
As far as the odds are calculated I was aiming at that guy because he raised when he shouldnt and i didnt had the cards to get him. Bluffing and bullying everyone around including me. I thought this is a good chance to teach him a lesson if i flop and 3.20 was too little call if I could take him all in. He started that with around 2.80 when i sat at the table but was bullying others around and got up to what he had.
Last edit I promise: I dont play like that at all. But it was a steam vent to play loose because i was kicked out of a tourney with some donkey 10 4 unsuited call with my Q Q. Predobar
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Posted by Predobar:
Posted by thefodz: Nice river! Did you feel he hit his flush on the turn? You had around 10 outs so I guess it wasn't one of those river miracles. I love when these kinds of hands win! Good job Predo, loose play paid off.
I knew he had flush when flop came out thats why i wrote that "am I" in chatbox. We had some conversation earlier and he said i was crazy doing calls i did. You can see i raised 0.80 trying to bluff that other guy out if he had a Ah and to check if i could bluff him for an Ace high flush if I dont hit nuts on river. It was luck because guy played really badly and got so happy when he got that Ace high fulsh he thought he had the nuts.
As far as the odds are calculated I was aiming at that guy because he raised when he shouldnt and i didnt had the cards to get him. Bluffing and bullying everyone around including me. I thought this is a good chance to teach him a lesson if i flop and 3.20 was too little call if I could take him all in. He started that with around 2.80 when i sat at the table but was bullying others around and got up to what he had.
Last edit I promise: I dont play like that at all. But it was a steam vent to play loose because i was kicked out of a tourney with some donkey 10 4 unsuited call with my Q Q. Predobar
I just think your semi-bluff could have been a little less something like 20 cents after turn so the guy would perhaps raise a bit less too and your implied odds would so much better.
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First thing first. You can Copy/Paste only the parts of the post, you dont have to use entire post.
If I made that low semi-bluff I could not know for certain if he has a Ace high flush because he could raise me with maximum bet if he get the idea I dont have it. This way hes either crazy maniac or he really does have a Ace high flush. As I played him some hands before I knew he wasnt maniac so my guess was he must have had that Ace high flush. Thats why I did that pot size bet. Low bets can get you into more trouble than you think, lets say he did make that flush but not Ace high if he had 10 high flush. I raise small minimum bet he can think of it as a trap but if he raises you cannot know for certain if he has a Ace high or not. But it is not a rule there are calling stations which will call with practically anything. One guy called my really big bet thinking he could beat me, he did not have any reason to believe I was bluffing because i played really tight that session and this was first bluff i made. guy had 2s 3s in his hand calling my flush bluff, ofcourse i dont have flush of any kind guy that has been betting from the begining folded his top pair (i think it was K) and that donkey calling station won the hand with 2-3 flush he made. So its not how much you bet but at whom this bet is aimed at. I can make some tables to fold when i raise minimum bet if it is filled with same type of tight players and i play it right from the moment i sit at the table.
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I don't get where loose play comes in and I don't understand half your reasoning. If you believe villain has a flush on the turn, calling is -EV, as you would have circa 18% equity while you are getting 2/1 on the call, so you would require 33% equity. Therefore, if you believe he has a flush calling the turn looses you money on average.
However he may have other hands than flushes here. He could easily have the bare Ah as you point out, he could have other sets/two pairs/TP etc that are protecting from what they may see as a flush draw.
I shove the turn myself, and expect to get called by flushes, sets 2 pairs, pair/draw combos, two pairs etc. If you are behind you will usually have outs, and worse hands will call sometimes too. Getting it all in here is better than the river as you may bet value from draws and combo draws from which you cant get value on the river.
Also please use a hand history converter, those bare hand histories are almost unreadable. There is a good one for full tilt at weaktight.com I believe.
Also, please google PokerStove and PokerTracker. Both will improve your game no end. PokerStove is free but PokerTracker is $50 or so, but worth it.
the thing is if you will play like this in longer time period it will cost you more 
