How many posts should a user have before you think he's trustworthy?
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Like the topic says - if you ONLY look at "how many posts a user have", when do you consider a user to be serious, at a forum?
Say, you don't know his age or location, you only know how many posts he's/she's made in total - so when do you start to think "this user must be serious, I suppose what he writes is true" ?
Reason I'm asking: I just made it so, that if a user with less than 200 posts in total, makes more than 20 posts/threads within 24 hours, a warning is displayed.
It's just a simple warning that goes like "you've been posting alot the past 24 hours, your posts will be reviewed by a moderator and deleted if it turns out you've been posting just to get points". We've had, already, some users who only:
* Posts things like or "nice" or "good" or "cool" etc etc., in MANY threads * Copies content from other forums and creates a new topic for all the different posts copied.
... and just to get MobPoints for posting - there's no other reason for doing it!
So I would just like to know, if you guys think that when a user has more than 200 posts on a forum, it should be safe to trust that this very user knows how the forum works, the rules, etc.?
Edited by Administrator (16 February 2008 @ 21:18 GMT)
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I think is a very tough question if there is a lot of activity on the forum you cut Rich the limit if you answer them all. I try not to and use the nice post or the bad post instead. But are a user more trust wort because they have more than 200 post i don't now. I find some user with very few post to be serious. So it a dilemma and I have to say I don't know
Your wellcome and I respect that it's okay with a warning
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Thanks for your comment and vote
I agree it's a tough question, but I right now, I can't think of another way to "stop a potential abuser" in time, other than displaying a warning if the user has less than 200 posts and make more than 20 posts within 24 hours.
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To be fair, you can't really tell if a user is a serious one even with 200 posts. you will just have to read his posts and check if it's always just a good comment and not an actual participation on the thread topic. even a user with 50 posts posting 5 times a day is more serious that a person posting 20 posts a day. The number of posts I have is a result of continuous posting since I joined and not just within a month.
There's no other way to know than to check the posts of a user.
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Hey Admin, I would like to know what kind of "trust" we are talking about here? I think the only way we can somehow measure something is by reading the forum in general. We know who the serious ones are, and we sure know who the few lines, point seeking ones are as well. So I guess we have to somehow find a way to reduce the number of irrelevant posts. By the way, the new function is already working towards reducing the negative and indifferent posts. I think we are in the right track.
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fodz, Unfortunately it will take a quite complicated computersystem to determine whether or not a user is serious, if the system will have to read his messages
The reason I'm asking this, is that I try to find a way to pass a warning on to a user who's been posting alot the past 24 hours, that his posts now will be reviewed by a moderator in order to prevent abuse of our mob points for posting in the forum.
As mentioned, right now the trigger is "If a user with less than 200 posts, makes more than 20 posts within 24 hours, a warning is displayed". No automatic action will be taken, it's just a warning.
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Well I think its mostly about how he is talking and what about he is talking .. i know ppl whos posts i know i should read closely even they are loong .. so i dont think it can be say like how much post he did before .. if i have to say number then 200 its ok think .. anyway admin you meant it like till some one will dont get 200 he will be always displayed for spaming and for example me or fodz will not be displayed even we posting more then your down limits ... or ? it will be for every one ? anyway you know we "oldies" dont doing it mostly for points so all ok i think ^_^
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w4x, It has nothing to do with "being shown", NO automatic action will be taken!! It's purely a TEXT WARNING to the user itself, when alot of posts has been made by the user within 24 hours, to prevent spamming.
im2good4u, Do you mean that when a user has MORE than 300 posts he should be allowed to make 25 posts a day? If yes, then you got it the wrong way
It's like this (for now, at least): A user with LESS than 200 posts will receive a warning if he posts more than 20, within 24 hours.
(the warning is not like "do it again and you'll sleep with the fishes" - its just a text to remind the user to post serious)
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Admin, I think anyone under 300 posts should not receive mob points. This should be a rule. After someone has made 300 posts, he/she will be reviewed (we will see if this user is serious or not) and only then will start receiving points. Can be more or less then 300, but I think it solves the problem!
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Posted by thefodz: Admin, I think anyone under 300 posts should not receive mob points. This should be a rule. After someone has made 300 posts, he/she will be reviewed (we will see if this user is serious or not) and only then will start receiving points. Can be more or less then 300, but I think it solves the problem!
that one rly makes sense to not awarding starting users would make it more serious .. and we will avoid more "tiltilit" cases
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fodz, I thought about that too - only problem is that it might get harder to have new users write in the forum. I'm sure some/many of our current users came here only because they could get mob points for writing, but found started liking it and stayed here
A few ONLY came here for points, and they spammed - and those are now with the fishes (kinda..).
Well, might keep it this way for a while, "if a user has less than 200 posts a reminder will be shown if more than 20 posts are made within 24 hours".
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Posted by Administrator: it might get harder to have new users write in the forum. I'm sure some/many of our current users came here only because they could get mob points for writing,
Admin, how about giving starting members half the regular points, then they still receive points and at the same time having something to look forward to in the future....after so many points, they start receiving more per post.
Anyway, if that becomes too complicated, I guess the "reminder" will do the job for now.
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The number of posts a user makes is irrelevant. it's the content that matters. I've read some pretty inane stuff from high users. It's obvious what their after. As for only awarding points that have posted more then 300 post, i'd agree with Admin .This would only put of new users posting in the first place. Not good when maybe they have something relevant or important to say. A better system would be to have different points structures for different forums.lets say 20 points for starting thread in the poker forum, with 10 points for replying. And, in off topic forum, 10 to start a thread and 2 reply. Something along those lines.
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Posted by Administrator: im2good4u, Do you mean that when a user has MORE than 300 posts he should be allowed to make 25 posts a day? If yes, then you got it the wrong way
It's like this (for now, at least): A user with LESS than 200 posts will receive a warning if he posts more than 20, within 24 hours.
(the warning is not like "do it again and you'll sleep with the fishes" - its just a text to remind the user to post serious)
nah, its just that the number of posts before the warning triggers goes higher with the number of posts. like.. 200 - 20 posts before the warning 300 - 25 posts before the warning 400 - 30 posts before the warning and so on.
And hell yeah! I kinda like this message ("do it again and you'll sleep with the fishes" appearing when you reach the limit hahahahahaha
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Admin, is this about people abusing the forum to earn points or just to discover if someone is trustworthy?
I thought that you implemented a system that would not give points to people who only post "nice one, " etc. with a minimum amount of characters before receiving points.
Judging someone by number of posts is a tough one as many people say Quality over Quantity
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A Very good solution would be a mix of Number of the Posts + The quality system of , i dont know how, but the system could have a away to "force" ppl click it, and the system would be similar to the ebays users.... You dont buy from someone at e-bay if he has too many bad sells
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I'm not sure where I stand on this one. I pressed on "I don't know" in the poll. I think it's a little funny that the more posts you have the more posts you can do before getting a warning, I fail to see how this will help and in the end will probably create a lot of work for admin etc. to go through the posts. I think people should learn how to use the thumbs up/ thumbs down a lot more, this way we eliminate all the extra work an admin would have to do if done by the site. I said it before and I still think there should be some kind of reward system for using thumbs up/down, but the points given for rating/voting should be very balanced so it wouldn't encourage someone to vote as many times as possible just to get points. Maybe if a users has casted 20 votes in 24 hours they will get 20 points or something. Maybe that way we can stop abuse and senseless voting. If someone makes a irrelevant post and it gets voted down to lets say -5 the users point for that post will get deducted.
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im2goodu4, No, there's no need to have it incremental. When somebody has 400 posts in here, they SHOULD know that spam is frowned upon and generally how to behave in a forum, including ours. For example, mastergryne with 206 posts, he knows (at least I think he does ). KozakBR with 101 posts also, and DIEseven with 64 etc etc. Unfortunately our last incident with a spammer, was somebody with about 100 posts, I guess he just snapped or something.
Anyway - whether it's number of posts or something else, once a user "knows how to behave and not to spam for points", then he can write as much as he like, be it 10 or 1 million a day. The point is, as long as the user is new to the forum and might not know exactly where the limits are, they should be given a reminder about NOT to spam if they post alot within 24 hours.
We will also get a message once somebody recieves the reminder, so we know that it has been triggered.
mastergryne, I'm still thinking about what we can do with points and the thumbs up/down, so we might do something
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admin this is a warning u have writte more then 20 post on this day if u writte on more i will delete our points funny hihi ..u are right admin u schould set a limit for this this is the only best idea only set it on 25 posts that will be ok for all
or "nice" or "good" or "cool" etc etc., in MANY threads
if there is a lot of activity on the forum you cut Rich the limit if you answer them all. I try not to and use the nice post 
instead. But are a user more trust wort because they have more than 200 post i don't now. I find some user with very few post to be serious. So it a dilemma and I have to say I don't know 
... or ? it will be for every one 
