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So, considering all the real money is in the rebuy games and they are always staring me in the face daring me to play i begin to wonder. Whats the proper amount of rebuys to bankroll to winnings ratio?
Naturally i feel like thinking its something around the 5% range max. meaning if i have 150$ and the buy-in is 1 then my rebuys should never exceed 7.5 buyins? Also what factor does prize play in the mix if any?
i have enjoyed minor success in nit-till-i-hit with a addon but with so much action early should i be willing to dive with 78clubs if 4 others are allin? regardless of their hands?
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ur average rebuy +addon+buyin money should be equal to normal freezeout buyin that you should be playing with that bankroll. regarding prize factor - ur average rebuy +addon+buyin money should be around min cash in the tournament. u can decide urself how much % of bankroll u want to put in 1 game depending on the number of players etc
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personally i dont play them and id just about always put my money in with 78 of clubs against 4 others, you'd have decent equity in the pot as long as someone doesnt have clubs with the A, i would check pokerstove but i deleted it lol
Posted by SuperNoob: ur average rebuy +addon+buyin money should be equal to normal freezeout buyin that you should be playing with that bankroll. regarding prize factor - ur average rebuy +addon+buyin money should be around min cash in the tournament. u can decide urself how much % of bankroll u want to put in 1 game depending on the number of players etc
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Greetings MicroMachina and that's a good question, that has me thinking of some more questions. The first being: Is the real money really in the rebuy tournaments? I've always steered clear of them but I don't play a lot of MTT's, am I missing out on a golden opportunity?
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Easy Micromachina.
One you choose your kind of bankroll management for MMTs 'standard' (ej 200$ and 1/200 BM for MTTs = 1$). You can spend in a rebuy tournament maximun x1.5 that amount (for spend i understand buyin+rebuys+addon).
What I've ben told by some seasoned rebuy Mtt players is...ones roll shud be able to support up to 5 rebuys + 1 addon, at a $1 BI the roll min is $300. So if my roll is between $150 and $200 I shud go down to the $0.50 BI and play there until I've reached $300+ to move up. Been told this formula is a safe way to play rebuys without going broke... leaves room for variance and downswings..the safest way to play them is with double the roll... most use the min or less anyway.
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You should rebuy when you can afford the money and doesnt affect your future plays Also i dont rebuy depending on position and places getting paid (places and amount). In some tournies the rebuy option really doesnt worth it. If there are too many players in before the money and you have to reach for example final table just to get even with your buy ins its a waste of money. You will need to check the tournament structure first to see if it worth to rebuy or not. gl
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I always always always double rebuy when i enter a tournie, making chipping up a tonne easier. Also, always add-on, regardless of your stack. Id say no more than 5% of your TOTAL roll on 1 rebuy mtt, ( ie all 4 rebuys and one addon = ~5% of your BR ) You can usually find quite solid value in rebuys, i'm actually starting to quite enjoy them now-a-days! GL!
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Posted by Chartoule: Easy Micromachina.
One you choose your kind of bankroll management for MMTs 'standard' (ej 200$ and 1/200 BM for MTTs = 1$). You can spend in a rebuy tournament maximun x1.5 that amount (for spend i understand buyin+rebuys+addon).
Yes, i like very conservative BM.
200 buy ins is still not very conservative...I mean,I use much more than that for 180 SNGs For topic - investing 5% of your roll at once is pure suicide for your BR,especially for an MTT. I wouldnt even think of touching $1 rebuys before at least $500 BR (calculating with a standard 5rebuys + addon strat). Obv. it's your decision but really if you wanna play MTTs,or even SNGs,a 5% rule is pure suicide
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5% was a maximum, and yes BeMy is correct, suicidal long term. 1 percent rule ftw. Remember when working out BI's for rebuys you MUST use your total buyin figure ( + addon ) not just the initial buyin.
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Ty guys for the info´s. Well I guess I´ve been luckyy because I´ve been playing way over the 5%, and still not broke. ( must say though I played to 1st just get into the money and then I start taking risks.)
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First and foremost my thanks to all the replies. I have only played the dollar dazzler which is $1.10 so i think ill stop playing them for now. Thats why i was asking. I dont want to play them if i can't correctly and if im sitting under 6 k with ten mins till cutoff i feel pushing with any suited connectors or better is where the money is at.
i really like the game so much but ill just hold off until i can scrape the coin together to justify it.
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The 2.75k Dollar Dazzlers is MASSIVELY +ev.... ive played it twice on Merge and final tabled twice, for a little over 300 total. The 300 and 400 dollar gtds usually end up bulking out to around 800 dollars ish but are nowhere near as good value as the 2.75k one They are ultra soft, and from what ive seen of you you are solid, in the 2.75k they have a 30k chip addon for a dollar, and in my exp if you can reach the addon with ~20-40k, then addon, you will sail into the cash GL in future endeavours dude.
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Posted by Arithmajik: Greetings MicroMachina and that's a good question, that has me thinking of some more questions. The first being: Is the real money really in the rebuy tournaments? I've always steered clear of them but I don't play a lot of MTT's, am I missing out on a golden opportunity?
Im sure the others are better equipped to answer but ill bump this with my thoughts and they can add more.
I really find allowing players who play poor cards to rebuy and add to the prize pool is very valuable. Like you though i would love a better answer.
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Obv rebuy mtt's are great for bulked out prizepools, but you need to have a strong mentality if you wanna go deep, Be prepared to take some tough beats from maniacs, be prepared to rebuy, dont play scared etc. Main mistake people make is they will buy in, but wont be prepared to rebuy, double rebuy or addon etc...the real value comes POST rebuy period, and if you have a decent stack after the rebuy/addon is over you can really take advantage of the small stacks. Key idea in rebuys, chip up during the rebuy period, then eat away at the shorties/middlies post rebuy.
Rebuys are great if you're strong, mentally and skill set wise. Gold mines if you adapt correct strategy. That said, freezeouts are loved by many people the world over, as the pressure of being knocked out and being completely out makes people play scared sometimes.
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I think for MTT, a solid BRM would be 100 buyins, at least that seems to be the average. Some people recommend less, some people recommend more. So if you're playing $5 mtt's, you'd want at least $500. Of course you also have to add your rebuys in there, so if you plan on playing $5 rebuys, and plan to rebuy/addon at least 3 times per tourney, you'd want at least $2000. Seems steep, but as you may already know, MTT's have STEEP variance, so you need to allow extra padding.
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