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PokerStars Game #27557044827: Tournament #151992720, Freeroll Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (125/250) - 2009/04/27 21:13:29 CET [2009/04/27 15:13:29 ET] Table '151992720 50' 9-max Seat #6 is the button Seat 1: this0is0me (5979 in chips) Seat 2: b00789 (14630 in chips) Seat 3: bigShark21 (15968 in chips) Seat 4: oeskoe (20811 in chips) Seat 5: Saftie (7439 in chips) Seat 6: farid_90 (10476 in chips) is sitting out Seat 7: borre308 (7820 in chips) Seat 8: alex_ownage (5150 in chips) is sitting out Seat 9: FlushyGlenn (14655 in chips) this0is0me: posts the ante 25 b00789: posts the ante 25 bigShark21: posts the ante 25 oeskoe: posts the ante 25 Saftie: posts the ante 25 farid_90: posts the ante 25 borre308: posts the ante 25 alex_ownage: posts the ante 25 FlushyGlenn: posts the ante 25 borre308: posts small blind 125 alex_ownage: posts big blind 250 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to this0is0me [8h 8s] FlushyGlenn: calls 250 this0is0me: calls 250 b00789: folds bigShark21: folds oeskoe: folds Saftie: calls 250 farid_90: folds borre308: raises 250 to 500 alex_ownage: folds FlushyGlenn: calls 250 this0is0me: calls 250 Saftie: calls 250 *** FLOP *** [5s 7c 7d] borre308: bets 250 FlushyGlenn: folds this0is0me: raises 750 to 1000 Saftie: folds borre308: calls 750 *** TURN *** [5s 7c 7d] borre308: bets 500 this0is0me: calls 500 *** RIVER *** [5s 7c 7d Ad] borre308: bets 1000 this0is0me said, "je hebt de A zeker" this0is0me said, "dat is duidelijk" farid_90 has returned this0is0me said, "88" this0is0me said, "laat je zien?" this0is0me: folds Uncalled bet (1000) returned to borre308 borre308 collected 5475 from pot borre308: doesn't show hand *** SUMMARY *** Total pot 5475 | Rake 0 Board [5s 7c 7d Ad 4h] Seat 1: this0is0me folded on the River Seat 2: b00789 folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 3: bigShark21 folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 4: oeskoe folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 5: Saftie folded on the Flop Seat 6: farid_90 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 7: borre308 (small blind) collected (5475) Seat 8: alex_ownage (big blind) folded before Flop Seat 9: FlushyGlenn folded on the Flop
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Wtf you are doing? Raise or even push preflop. But if you don't, push that flop. There are at least 2000 in the pot before the flop. Your raise to 1000 is not enough.
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I agree with shokaku. I don't mind the first call. If you catch you stand to get big pay out but assuming there are no raises you get away cheap if the flop is all high cards. After the min raise preflop though taking the pot above a thousand you should be pushing. You can't call and hope for small cards then. But even so you couldn't expect a much better flop. He raised in first position a very small bet. His is probly a continuation bet. to find out where you are and ensure he doesn't have a higher pair you must pot raise or more. With two over cards such as AK not putting you on sevens he has odds to call. You're right you cannot call that turn. you can't just call it. he may not have an ace so you need to know where you are. If your not in front now how can you hope to win. by hitting a miracle 8? you need to decide then is he bluffing and if yes get all your chips in. if no you have to admit you should have raised more on the flop and fold.
ps. why are you asking him what he has and telling him your cards. do you think he will tell you what to do.
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the player who raised preflop had a 16vpip$ and 11%preflop if i push that flop with 3 players that still have to deciede after me i realy think that a push there is a -ev play i could be wrong i dont know the 1000 raise was more an info raise then a valueraise so you say it was a a push fold situation on the flop or do you mean preflop
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Posted by awood88: I agree with shokaku. I don't mind the first call. If you catch you stand to get big pay out but assuming there are no raises you get away cheap if the flop is all high cards. After the min raise preflop though taking the pot above a thousand you should be pushing. You can't call and hope for small cards then. But even so you couldn't expect a much better flop. He raised in first position a very small bet. His is probly a continuation bet. to find out where you are and ensure he doesn't have a higher pair you must pot raise or more. With two over cards such as AK not putting you on sevens he has odds to call. You're right you cannot call that turn. you can't just call it. he may not have an ace so you need to know where you are. If your not in front now how can you hope to win. by hitting a miracle 8? you need to decide then is he bluffing and if yes get all your chips in. if no you have to admit you should have raised more on the flop and fold.
ps. why are you asking him what he has and telling him your cards. do you think he will tell you what to do.
but dont i commit myself with a potraise in a 4 player pot with a very thight initial raiser i just didnt feel that my hand was good enough to go with it for my whole stack but the more i think about it the more i see that you are right and that i actualy played the hand bad on all streets
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With four callers there are likely to be a few high cards already out so a race wouldn't have been too bad. course the ace came so if he had AK a re-raise followed by another re-raise might have got you all in preflop and he would have won assuming he wasn't bluffing.
But your raise on the flop was not enough to know where to you stand as he called and you had no idea if he'd just hit his out or not. You don't want to risk danger cards here either. You cannot call on the turn cos that gives you no info whatsoever.
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Posted by shokaku:
Posted by Whiskerer: I would min raise that turn and fold to re raise
What????
Did you see his stacksize?
true a min raise can never be a play there as i see now it was a push preflop or atleast a reraise all in on that weak min-C-bet from the preflop raiser it just that the stats and the 3 players in the pot scared me a lil bit but at the end of the day it was a push
You were not chip leader at the moment, so You should make an open rise preflop. If someone re-rise Your bet, then call him with the rule "call 20" then C-Bet on flop and easy fold if You get re-rise, if call dont bet second barrel only check/fold
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Posted by ikcotS: You were not chip leader at the moment, so You should make an open rise preflop. If someone re-rise Your bet, then call him with the rule "call 20" then C-Bet on flop and easy fold if You get re-rise, if call dont bet second barrel only check/fold
i realy dont like to raise with a utg limp and me in UTG+1 if im pushed allin or get reraised im at best a flip for my tournement and 15% of the time im dominated with an over pair so I only win it about 40% of the time
