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Okay, so we were 3 guys out for dinner tonight, when we decided to make a small bet:
"How many people will be in this restaurant, besides us and the staff, at 9pm?"
At this time, it was only the 3 of us. All the other tables were empty.
The bets were:
Guy #1: "4 persons" Guy #2: "5 persons" Guy #3: "7 persons"
The one to hit, or get nearest, would win the bet. Ie.. 0 or 2 people, guy #1 would win. 6 people guy #2 and #3 would share. 8 people guy #3 would win.
At around 8.50, a party of 5 entered the restaurant and sat down.
At around 8.55, 3 people are standing outside, waiting to enter the restaurant, deciding something, having a smoke etc.
At around 30 seconds before 9pm, one of the guys from the above party, stands up and goes outside for a smoke.
A few minutes past 9pm, the smoking-guy returned to his party of 5 and 3 more customers also entered.
Who won the bet?
Obviously Guy #1 says "there were only 4 people in the restaurant at 9pm".
Guy #2 says "it was a party of 5. they had drinks served already, he just went out for a smoke. 5 people were here."
Guy #3 couldn't win at this point, as the final 3 people needed for his "7 persons", entered after 9pm.
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Depends what the bet was. Was it how many people are actually in the restaurant or how many customers will be sat down by that point. If the three outside had come inside but not sat down yet who would have won then? if it was people in the restaurant - guy 1. If it was sat down - guy 2.
what was the cost of this bet. if it was that much on it you really should have settled the conditions first.
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Posted by Administrator: THIS POLL DOES NOT PAY MOB POINTS - VOTE BECAUSE YOU READ THIS POST!
Okay, so we were 3 guys out for dinner tonight, when we decided to make a small bet:
"How many people will be in this restaurant, besides us and the staff, at 9pm?"
At this time, it was only the 3 of us. All the other tables were empty.
The bets were:
Guy #1: "4 persons" Guy #2: "5 persons" Guy #3: "7 persons"
The one to hit, or get nearest, would win the bet. Ie.. 0 or 2 people, guy #1 would win. 6 people guy #2 and #3 would share. 8 people guy #3 would win.
At around 8.50, a party of 5 entered the restaurant and sat down.
At around 8.55, 3 people are standing outside, waiting to enter the restaurant, deciding something, having a smoke etc.
At around 30 seconds before 9pm, one of the guys from the above party, stands up and goes outside for a smoke.
A few minutes past 9pm, the smoking-guy returned to his party of 5 and 3 more customers also entered.
Who won the bet?
Obviously Guy #1 says "there were only 4 people in the restaurant at 9pm".
Guy #2 says "it was a party of 5. they had drinks served already, he just went out for a smoke. 5 people were here."
Guy #3 couldn't win at this point, as the final 3 people needed for his "7 persons", entered after 9pm.
Who won the bet?
The bet was how much ppl would be IN the restaurant not outside the restaurant and AT 9pm not after 9pm or before 9pm. At 9pm there was that party of 5 minus the 1 guy that went for a smoke that would make it 4ppl. so Guy #1 is the winner. Unless the guy had a smoke at the restaurant patio or something then that would make it 5ppl and Guy #2 would b the winner.
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Yeah but they were specifically referring to customers. So if a man came in to ask directions and left for example he would not count or would he? If people had to be officially customers they would have to sit down to be counted. If someone walked in two seconds before 9 but had not sat down yet; would he count? If answer to either of these is no then the person who has left for a smoke must count as he is still a customer. he may as well have been in the toilet.
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Posted by awood88: Yeah but they were specifically referring to customers. So if a man came in to ask directions and left for example he would not count or would he? If people had to be officially customers they would have to sit down to be counted. If someone walked in two seconds before 9 but had not sat down yet; would he count? If answer to either of these is no then the person who has left for a smoke must count as he is still a customer. he may as well have been in the toilet.
bet was how many ppl would be in the restaurant at 9pm not how many customers. pay attention to details.
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Posted by Fr3nChi:
Posted by awood88: Yeah but they were specifically referring to customers. So if a man came in to ask directions and left for example he would not count or would he? If people had to be officially customers they would have to sit down to be counted. If someone walked in two seconds before 9 but had not sat down yet; would he count? If answer to either of these is no then the person who has left for a smoke must count as he is still a customer. he may as well have been in the toilet.
bet was how many ppl would be in the restaurant at 9pm not how many customers. pay attention to details.
you should pay more attention to details because "how many ppl would be in the restaurant" includes the three of them and the staff which he specifically says are not included. What if the staff had someone visiting them at work? What if someone finished their shift at nine and is still technically in the building? How would they define who is staff and who isn't? The thread implies customers only.
The fact they were stood outside is irrelevant. You could argue where they were stood was on Restaurant property and therefore they were within the confines of hte restaurant.
Did they leave anything on the table ? If so then they clearly were present merely not sat at the table, which isnt the argument that was made. It wasnt how many people were sat at a table withing hte restaurant itself, it was how many customers would be htere, and there were 5 customers albeit they were not sat at the table... A customer is a customer, no matter where hes stood.
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Posted by fcumred: I am afraid I would go with 5.
The fact they were stood outside is irrelevant. You could argue where they were stood was on Restaurant property and therefore they were within the confines of hte restaurant.
Did they leave anything on the table ? If so then they clearly were present merely not sat at the table, which isnt the argument that was made. It wasnt how many people were sat at a table withing hte restaurant itself, it was how many customers would be htere, and there were 5 customers albeit they were not sat at the table... A customer is a customer, no matter where hes stood.
I would have to argue against u. The bet said IN the restaurant not on restaurant property. It's like saying betting how much ppl will be IN ur house at 9pm if there is 5 of u there and 1 person when outside at 8:59pm. The guy that went outside was not IN ur house at 9:00pm he does not count because IN implies inside not outside or around or on property. This implies that only 4 of u were IN aka inside ur house at 9:00pm. Does this make sense? If not explain why.
The fact they were stood outside is irrelevant. You could argue where they were stood was on Restaurant property and therefore they were within the confines of hte restaurant.
Did they leave anything on the table ? If so then they clearly were present merely not sat at the table, which isnt the argument that was made. It wasnt how many people were sat at a table withing hte restaurant itself, it was how many customers would be htere, and there were 5 customers albeit they were not sat at the table... A customer is a customer, no matter where hes stood.
I would have to argue against u. The bet said IN the restaurant not on restaurant property. It's like saying betting how much ppl will be IN ur house at 9pm if there is 5 of u there and 1 person when outside at 8:59pm. The guy that went outside was not IN ur house at 9:00pm he does not count because IN implies inside not outside or around or on property. This implies that only 4 of u were IN aka inside ur house at 9:00pm. Does this make sense? If not explain why.
So what if he was in the toilet or just entering the foyer ?
If someone comes to my door at 9pm whether they are physically inside my house or stood on the porch knocking, they are still at my house and therefore would be classed as present..
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The answer is simple if you can answer this question for us admin.
If someone stepped over the threshold just before nine but not sat down would they have counted?
If yes then we must assume someone stepping outside takes one from the total but if they have to sit down to be counted then they are counted till they leave. If they stand up for whatever reason, it shouldn't matter.
If someone entered, glanced at the menu and left would they count? The impression I got was you had noticed how quiet it was and the bet referred specifically to customers.
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awood88,
According to Guy #1 "Yes, they would count". According to Guy #3 "Then we would have to wait to decide who won the bet, will we know if they're here to sit down or they will leave again".
So I guess we cannot agree and will have to be more clear about the conditions in the future
