| bowie1984 | 13/04/2019 19:38:10 GMT |
Posted by pajalnick:
... of course the poker rooms struggle with it but how It seems to me to catch a fraudster quite difficult ... but it is good that the poker rooms are dealing with these problems |
Are they really struggle though?
Feels like it's not that hard to find these kind of activites among 'players' since most bots follow certain pattern of behaviour etc. but sites have less incentive to throw them out because they pay the rake just the same, so why bother with them in the first place? |
| demodawggy | 14/04/2019 05:49:37 GMT |
...  < ...I always knew that there were game playing bots,...but I never really believed that some crooked bad guys could actually slip them into any of the poker sites...!
.... < ...This thread has shown me that I have been totally wrong... 
... < ...Actually,...a few folks have suspected that I play like a bot and actually was one...!!!
... < ...heheee.... |
| CALICUL | 14/04/2019 13:48:33 GMT |
Think about 277 bots and how much money they've earned, until Party Poker detects and confiscates that money. Then think that they did not manage to catch them all. Unfortunately, the one who votes with minus is parallel to reality, because this news is real and if it was a fake one, then i agreed with his votes. In this situation, i do not agree.  |
| pajalnick | 15/04/2019 07:27:33 GMT |
| Of course, rake is very important for poker sites ... if it were not for rake, as if they would have a profit ... in any way ... but on the other hand, if there are obvious signs of bots, then you need to do something about it ... otherwise the players will leave this poker site .... go to another where the fight against bots is made .... Here’s such a dilemma for poker sites |
| Mober | 15/04/2019 11:34:23 GMT |
If players that get affected get the money back after all, or at least a portion of it,
then it is fine. Now talking about the rake, for a site like party poker, doesnt really make
any difference.
With the amount of players and games they have, the rake is the same for them,
either with bots or not. It is not and advantage for them, having them, in any case. |
| CALICUL | 15/04/2019 13:54:30 GMT |
| 277 is too much. Think about how much money these bots players played and how much they managed to withdraw. Nobody makes a complaint to the police and of course the Party Poker they should but they do not do it. This is horrible and is not normal. |
| Milos753 | 15/04/2019 15:52:16 GMT |
| Yea this is not normal and this is big robbery from PP. They need to return that 734k to players who lose from this bots, I think its not hard to check bots cash game history and every players who lose from them need to get money back. Big big robbery from PP. Gl |
| CALICUL | 19/04/2019 14:12:22 GMT |
Yes, but i do not understand why these bots are not being complained to the police? They will try again and until they are discovered will earn money again. It's a terrible chaos in this internet and those who have to lose are generally those who lose money in poker.
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| bowie1984 | 19/04/2019 23:24:51 GMT |
Posted by CALICUL:
Yes, but i do not understand why these bots are not being complained to the police? They will try again and until they are discovered will earn money again... |
Again - any bot discovered in this scheme was just a 'regular paying customer' two weeks ago from the casino's standpoint. They pay the rake just the same so these places won't care until you make them care. |
| dule-vu | 20/04/2019 10:00:24 GMT |
| ok,beside this closing account,but do they pay some players,beacuse they lost money against this bots or everything is over!if they close this account,then every game that is played from this account isnt regular and other players should get money back! |
| Mober | 20/04/2019 10:34:15 GMT |
The article says "redistributes" which probably means, giving money back to the players
that were affected by it.
It would have been silly for a site like party poker just to confiscate all that money
and leave their players, that had done nothing wrong, with no compensation at all.
There was another example of this in the past wit a site returning money to the players,
but cant remember which one was it. I think it was poker stars... |
| Serpang | 20/04/2019 10:51:43 GMT |
Wow..really worst condition ..someone know how about PS and titan ? I didn't play at Party.
But like someone said above that got call with nothing on flop but won cause they got it on turn or river, sometime should be hit both and got it |
| CALICUL | 20/04/2019 14:30:58 GMT |
| Peoples find methods very fast to create other accounts and to use illegal programs. I read in the past more about this. Even Justin Bonomo was caught with multiple accounts in 2006. It is very difficult for us to be successful, if the poker rooms have too many bots. |
| dule-vu | 21/04/2019 10:55:27 GMT |
| for me would be strange that they will check every hand and every table,tournament or whatever for every single player from this bots and then to see who losted against them and to payback to this player!this would need weeks for something like this! |
| Mober | 21/04/2019 11:10:48 GMT |
I doubt it is that complicated. They will have to check who has played against them,
the buy ins and the result after the end of the game.
And they must be storing more information than the players, get from their own history.
No matter what, they are having the personnel and means to do it.
And they have to after all, since they went out with this announcement. |
| CALICUL | 21/04/2019 14:46:25 GMT |
| It's not hard to do that but perhaps Party Poker is not very interested in tracking these bots in every day. If there is such a quick detection program, then it must always to be used. We can not protect ourselves. We do not have this talent to find bots. Only poker rooms can do it. |
| Mober | 23/04/2019 07:49:49 GMT |
The only thing you can do is track your games and players.
If you are regular in a sng game for example, at some point you will bump to the same
players. You cant avoid them here.
In cash games though, you can avoid sitting on the same table with some specific players,
that you are suspecting their play is not normal. |
| dule-vu | 23/04/2019 08:55:14 GMT |
| first is question do they want to track every hand and every tournaments from this bots accounts and what will be from this cases!maybe they have in their rules,that they dont have to pay money after this kind of problems and other players dont have to know about it and to know names of this bots! |
| CALICUL | 23/04/2019 15:13:02 GMT |
The only guilty in this case are the ones who deals with the laws. A hard law for bots which would start from 10 years of imprisonment or more will stop this phenomenon in most cases. We have to make a request for a law like this and this law to be adopted.  |
| Mober | 24/04/2019 10:01:57 GMT |
Well this was a big mess up. I had two threads open, read both of them and replied on the wrong
one 
And i have done the same mistake in the past also |
| CALICUL | 24/04/2019 15:13:59 GMT |
| Very rarely i made this mistake. I think one or maybe twice from the fall of 2017. Instead, i've seen a lot of the wrong moves in online poker and of course... the software offered to other players the right cards and they win on the turn and river. I lost dramatically many strange hands and it is clear that: I played with bots and many do not understand this. I also receive minus votes on my righteousness. |
| Mober | 25/04/2019 11:33:12 GMT |
The thing that you have played games and you got some "strange" cards on turn and river,
doesnt mean you were playing against bots.
It is not normal, for a real player to make the wrong moves ?
There are all sorts of players out there, and everyone is playing the way they want
Especially on low limits you can see everything from real players |
| CALICUL | 25/04/2019 15:12:14 GMT |
| I played against bots many times. I can swear with precision and their moves say everything. I'm not talking about the beginning of the games. I'm talking about tournaments and after 4-5 hours they had strange moves. Even beginners do not make these moves. No, it's not normal for them to make these moves. You can not pay all stack, after the flop, my all-in with nothing. I'm sorry because this google translate is execrable but there are other strange moves and it's not normal. Anyone who knows a little poker knows these things. |
| Mober | 26/04/2019 12:15:19 GMT |
And what makes you say this.
You mean the normal play, for all players is the one that follow your guide lines?
So everyone else outside them is either a bot or doesnt know how to play?
AT the end if you still think so, just take the time and contact the site you are playing.
Not hard to give them the heads up. Why arent you doing this, since you are so
sure about it... |
| CALICUL | 26/04/2019 15:12:57 GMT |
| You do not understand. I can not explain well if we do not speak the same language and this translate is too weak. What i want to explain is: These things is what you see only in movies or as in the final with Isildur1 and Pavel Plesuv from Moldova ( last hand ). Nobody plays in that way, except bots. |
