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Posted by pokkerimees: 63% of those ordinary people in RF support bombing civilian objects in Ukraine.
I am very surprised by that number. In one way I expect it to be much higher ~90%, if FSB come for a visit most would say whatever they think they want, and the other way, < 33% most would have a general anti-war stance normally, let alone condemning civilian collateral damage, with many also having some connection to Ukraine.
I know the way State media is framing it makes the "Nazi Regime" in Ukraine appear like a legitimate target and or NATO puppets, but civilians??
Where and when did this number come from? I am a little dubious of all of these type of statistics, especially in war time and always from Putin aligned sources.
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Where and when did this number come from? I am a little dubious of all of these type of statistics, especially in war time and always from Putin aligned sources. [/QUOTE]
I think there was video from Ukrainian blogger Vladimir Zolkin (he is mostly doing interviews with prisoners of war from RF), who had interview with russian sociolog Aleksander Shulga. I may remember wrong tho. I try to find that video and watch it again.
Anti war does mostly mean, that they dont want to go to war themselves. But if they had opportunity occupy some (or most) territory from Ukraine without significant losses, they would agree. Just ask them "Crimae belongs to who?". If answer "Belongs to Ukraine" does not come right then, they most likely feel superior to ukrainians and feel, the have the right to act like they please.
Edited by pokkerimees (01 February 2023 @ 11:05 GMT)
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Posted by suxkysuxky: while russia carresonwiththe war inukraine in my opinion russiansshouldnt beallowes
d back to any sportt afterall theonly ones who can make a difference are the russian people and while they believe putins propeganda it wont stop
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Ukraine, USA, Israel, EU etc... are guilty. Russia defends its people from Ukraine..., and it is not as you say, but i don't want to debate this topic here.
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Who attacked Ukraine - EU, Israel, USA? Or was it maybe RF after all. Same thing RF did 2 times in Chechnia, ´in Georgia, in Moldova, 2 times in Ukraine already. Its just this time Ukraine fights back.
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Its not the same. What happens in Turkey, is natural disaster, nobody to blame for it, nobody started it. And it was not avoidable. War in Ukraine is started by 1 country and 1 country only.
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Posted by pokkerimees: Who attacked Ukraine - EU, Israel, USA? Or was it maybe RF after all. Same thing RF did 2 times in Chechnia, �in Georgia, in Moldova, 2 times in Ukraine already. Its just this time Ukraine fights back.
Hi.
you say that Russia is guilty but is not, because you should document yourself more. I don't think you have access to information since you know only few things but this is not the truth. Those who rule Ukraine are guilty. You don't know about the crimes committed in Ukraine since 2014 against the Russians ? you don't know that these crimes committed at the order of those who seized Ukraine and many innocent people was killed ? Childs, womens, and men... You don't know about the virus laboratories in Ukraine, the trafficking of drugs, live meat, organs, cigarettes, etc. .. ? You have no idea how many Russians have been killed in Ukraine since Zelenski, who is a puppet of the new world order became president ? Ukraine is an invented country with territories taken by force from other countries, including Romania, and she must give the territories back to all countries where they were taken from. There are many things you have to learn. Success with your games, good health and big luck in your life, but you must to learn many things.
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I only told the truth. Don't forget that there are many Romanians in Ukraine, over 500,000... Propaganda is only done by those who are with Ukraine and with Zelenski. Why are people forcibly taken to this military conflict? why are the Romanians in Ukraine forced to fight for Zelenski and the criminals who lead him? I can tell you the truth about many things, but there is a lot to write, and you are in the boat of the supreme evil. Zelensky and his masters are the evil on this planet.
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normally, Zelenski should ask for peace, but he is asking for money and weapons. Is this normal for a country that defends itself from ''aggressors'' ? who made war when he should have asked for peace? When Zelenski does live on the internet, is drunk and using cocaine, is normal for a president? I am not with Russia or with Ukraine, but the USA, Israel and the European Union must leave Ukraine and after that there will be peace.
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Posted by CALICUL: normally, Zelenski should ask for peace, but he is asking for money and weapons. Is this normal for a country that defends itself from ''aggressors'' ? who made war when he should have asked for peace? When Zelenski does live on the internet, is drunk and using cocaine, is normal for a president? I am not with Russia or with Ukraine, but the USA, Israel and the European Union must leave Ukraine and after that there will be peace.
I would like to see you saying the same, if Russia entered Romania with war, started bombing your country all day and night and killing your neighbors. "Please everyone stop helping us, so that Russian terrorists could win and capture us quicker!" Would you? I'm not wishing you that and nobody, ofc, but... Dude, really, WTF are talking about? People are dying in thousand amounts daily not because Zelenski asking weapons to defend his people and country, but because Putin keep sending his troops and shooting bombs at Ukraine! Isn't that clear yet?
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Posted by SHTD: What kind of nonsense are you writing, watch russian television less, or are you yourself a representative of their propaganda?
Exactly the thing, I'm really amazed to see Kremlin's propaganda victims not only in Russia, but also widespreaded in whole world, geez...
Edited by alienat3d (12 February 2023 @ 13:45 GMT)
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Posted by 3pokeronly: New 3p poll.
As around 80% of Russians share European ethnicity and there is no hate for any of the other ethnicities within Russia, what would it take to welcome them all back to the poker, Europe and international worlds?
Quite a bit to be honest, the current government there has trampled neighbours, restricted their citizens, threatened all and sundry for daring to oppose their illegal wars, human rights abuses and crimes against humanity.
Even during the early parts of the USSR some good art, literature, chess theory was allowed to be released, prior to that, the Czars generally travelled Europe, spoke French and English and fostered the world best chess players, academics, some of the finest literature that still exist, some of the greatest thinkers and musicians and for a brief period it looked set to return to its eminence, alas, this is yet to happen and we are further away than ever.
I 3P, hopefully speaking for some or the majority of the BRM users, honestly hope it can happen sooner rather than later, to foster peace and security for all.
I agree with that thought, blocking some country's citizens from poker or casino world, because of politics, even if that "politics" drove to a war, is kind of nonsense. I don't see how can these help against war, only that people in Russia, who was playing poker and casino before would lose their earnings from poker for example, get more free time and less money and maybe become a victim of Kremlin's propaganda and decide of going to war for earn some money. Sounds a bit contra-productive to me.
However, I think that casinos and poker-rooms done that to Russians not because of the war itself, but because of complications with money transfers, those appeared during this war. I remind you, that most of legal bank transfers with Russia and Europe, USA and big part of the world are blocked since last year already. SWIFT is blocked. Crypto is forbidden in Russia too, Skrill & Neteller blocked their services for Russia too, so basically it's sort of complicated to deposit or withdraw for Russian users. Maybe that's why.
