Joined: Aug '09
Location: Canada
Age: 34 (M)
Posts: 15
Posted by Predobar:
Was s**t tired and shouldn't have played in that state
That is the next lesson you have to learn and it is not an easy one. Most of the people reading will probably laugh but its not that simple. You noticed that You played bad and correlated it to tiredness only because You was really tired. Problem lies when one is not so tired, lets say 1 hour shorter sleep than usual, and while You can play your best game for some time you will have your thinking capacity reduced, if not immediately then really quick. Whats worse is to have predetermined number of hours to play in combination with only 1 hours less sleep and you are on your way to downswing. How?
You play as you should play for an hour or so and variance is not giving you any trouble at all so you make some profit and that makes you more confident than you was when you started that session. After that first hour or so fatigue kicks in, just slightly nothing big, and while you are still able to play something might go unnoticed in your play, you are giving out various tells, just general tell it can be related to anything you are getting tells from in online poker. At this point, others are picking up on those tells and are waiting for an opportunity to exploit them and you are still not losing money but you might be floating around one stack size or just picking up small pots. Some will think that they are just not hitting or it is just variance. Confidence is not likely to wear off that quick but game will suffer when game gets dull, on subconscious level at least. Usually it goes this way, opponents will get their chance eventually and start exploiting your tells and flaws making you to fold when you should not. This will make you agitated a little, specially if more than one of your opponents start doing this, and this may lead to even bigger mistake, just because you don`t want to get pushed around anymore, and that is making a bad call/raise.
In the end you lose money, i guess everyone understood what i tried to say so i wont go any further into details, but there are other "flaws" that are related to tiredness. Can this be exploited, of course it can, watch the reactions of regular multitabling players, ones that play at the same time every day, at the beginning and at the end of their sessions.
What You need to learn next is, not to play at all when You`re not at your best, and I don`t mean almost best, unless you really must, in situation where you qualified for some tournament and buyin would be wasted if you don`t play. You will be able to get out if variance kicks in or to stand up from the table when you are the fish and generally much better play and decision making overall.
Some of you might ask, so what if I don`t get good sleep for a week or even longer? Well don`t play, if you succeed in playing poker for living you can choose when to sleep. If you did not sleep well last night then take a nap after lunch, that`s what I do, and you`ll see the difference. In the meantime I kill time, till lunch, playing computer games rather than playing poker, SR2020 Gold is out
Joined: Jan '09
Location: South Africa
Age: 34 (M)
Posts: 94
O.K
Its been more than 4 months since my last post here lol and to start off: NO i'm not busto!
My account got blocked here due to my friend logging into his account on my PC and i was too lazy to send a pic of me with my ID etc...
Anyways here's what has been happening:
I got a big downswing on fulltilt (tilt sessions and variance) and brought my bankroll back down to 50$ took a few weeks break from the game and came back refreshed, didn't play too much cash and tried my luck at a few mtt's and multi table sng's.
Went good for a while and took down a 3.5$ 45man sup turbo for 60$ and built my roll to 140$
Borrowed 40$ to a friend and got the cash from him in rl, leaving me with 100$ on fulltilt...
Got a few $ from the bigbet 0.10 freerolls and built that up from 4$ to 61$ now
Got a few $ on Pokerstars and built it up from 2.5$ to 18$ now
Got a few Rands (abt 7.5 rands for 1$) on silversands poker and built it up from 250R (32$) to 1030R (130$)
But I took a shot at rush poker and started great +40$ but ended up losing -98$ so my fulltilt roll now stands at 42$ but total roll is 251$
So I was quite busy, I will post updates on all sites abt once a week and hopefully reach about 2k$ at the end of the year, then the real can start coming in...
Thanks for all the support guys and good luck on the tables!!
Edit: added spaces in my opening post for an easier read lol
Joined: Jan '10
Location: United States
Age: 59 (M)
Posts: 410
Posted by Thean: Hey all mobsters, I have been around BRM for a while now and I have decided to make a little blog here of my poker life...
Backstory: Most of you will probably not know me because i am not really an active poster on the forum (more of a read and learn type then type and teach)
I started playing poker about 2 years ago through one of my friend's and instantly fell in love with the game due to the fact that its the perfect neverending competition and I love competitions lol, but we are not great poker players from day1, my main problem being patience...
Me and my friends learned the game through mobile poker games (WPT by far the best) and started playing against each other for cigarettes and SMALL change that would usually go for a pack of smokes lol. We all loved the game but we never really used skill, it all went on luck in the end as we all usually played every hand with no regards of the strength pre-flop ect...
So after a few months of playing the game and thinking i am the best in the world we got the fancy thing called internet lol.(internet is REALLY expensive here in S.A so its kinda a luxury here where its almost a must in other countries)
So first poker site I found is partypoker.net (the play money only partypoker) and i start playing there and that is when i got the shock that i really didn't know anything about the game and to be honest I SUCKED!!!!
I didn't even know you could play for money online lol, but after a while of playing play money i started to get better and it showed in my home games against friends ect but i still knew there was a whole world of poker that i still had to learn, so 1st step was to try and play real money online, still thinking partypoker is the only online poker site i download partypoker.com and convinced my mom to stake me 25$ which is alot for us seeing that we are between a middle and lower class family lol and as you all can think I LOST IT within a week, still with that same problem i have had since the start being IMPATIENT!!
After this I pretty much hated the game for a month or so and didn't think i would ever crack it. So after a bit of online games with this fancy internet i somehow (really can't remember) stumble upon the greatest thing in my poker career bankrollmob.com! and this whole new world opens up again, all this free money for me!!!! It felt like waiting for christmas when i sent in my I.D for confirmation, all i wanted to do was get those free moneys lol and 1st up was action poker, less than a week-bankrupt DOHHHHHHHH i still suck
So a week off again from the game and i take the time to read around the forums a bit and try to learn bankrollmanagement Next up Mansion, a good start making 10$ profit in the 1st week but then my impatience kicked in again and even though i played the lowest levels i still wasn't patient enough to wait for the good cards and lose it all over the next 2 weeks...
So back to 0$ in my poker life, no new NDB came for the next couple of months so me and my friends took to some casino's a few times and lost about 2 out of the 3 times due to being such donks lol but the experience was gr8 atleast.
Next up is the changing moment bigbetpoker NDP
now this is the ultimate BRM test, i mean 10$ is nothing to start with especially if their lowest tables are NL4, but i manage to breakthrough 1st day and double it to 20$ with luck offcourse but i realized that if i got through this i would be a better player...I grinded on bigbet for over 2 months and my last balance before cashout was 94$, during this time i got a hold of a few poker books thx to gaztheyorkie and a few other helpfull poker tips around the forum and that is what made me cashout of bigbet, a gr8 site to wich i will return someday but i needed a bigger place to test myself and decided on fulltilt poker, i have previously played there earlier this year with money i won from the mobdraw and i was creamed completely on every stake i tried and it is by far the site imo where players with skill outnumber the donks with luck, and that is where i want to play, i dont want donk's money, i want the money of skilled players (it just feels better beating the 1st ranked guy than it does beating the last ranked guy or what?) so i put in a deposit of 50$ on fulltilt no rakeback or 1st depo bonus and i have been playing there now for about a week and I am up to 78$
I am playing the best poker of my 2 years so far there and i can just feel that i have become better, i am not an amateur anymore even though i play the lowest stakes, i am in that poker zone and it feels soooo damn good!!!
Now i play for 4-12 hours a day grinding away and i am patient as i have learned the art of multitabling..... I will post updates on my BR here as i play through the day and try to keep the blog active to those who will enjoy it following a micro stakes player.
So, this has probably been the longest post so far on brm lol and sorry if its the most boring s**t you have ever read So as the title says this is the making of a poker player---ME
PS.attached is a graph that just showed me how much i have improved my game.. BRM ftw
there is still a higher level when you move up to the .50/1.00 and $1/$2 tables there, there some tough cookies there that play 12+ tables at a time that play this as there job
Joined: Jan '09
Location: South Africa
Age: 34 (M)
Posts: 94
Got a great update:
Money was rolling in the last few days... I cashed out from bigbet and put it on fulltilt so balance there was 109$ but i played a bit lol
Pokerstars: same (13$) Fulltilt: up (142$) +33$ in 1 day btw Silversands: up (202$) +45$
Total roll: 357$
So its starting to form an actual bankroll now!! If I continue at this pace I will definitely hit 2k$ by the end of the year but I know I'll hit a downswing somewhere because biatch lady variance always bites me when I'm running good...
Anyways I'm gonna play 5nl rush at FT now (really glad they added it for micro grinders like me that don't have enough for 10nl ) and I have rakeback at FT now aswell so the rush will be +EV in that department...I 3 table them so its equal to +- 9-12 tables
Ill try and update on sunday again Plz post in the thread mobsters the support helps me alot!!
Joined: Jan '08
Location: Croatia
Age: 47 (M)
Posts: 1308
One advice Thean, if you didnt already made a deposit at silversands I would advise against it. That poker/casino is rogued at CM as being part of Crystal Palace group.
Joined: Jan '09
Location: South Africa
Age: 34 (M)
Posts: 94
1st of all!
Rush has MAJOR variance, for 100 hands+ your overpairs,two pairs ect will hold up but suddenly you get hit with bad luck the next 200 hands... My graph looks like a heartbeat monitor when I filter rush lol, but I need to stop playing full ring as my better game is 6max (since bigbet I mostly play 6max)
Anyways:
Fulltilt: (134$) -8$ Pokerstars: (11$) -2$ (Im not playing cash here, trying to make a nice cash in the 45 mans to build a roll) Silversands: (262$) +50$ Total: 407$ Nice few days on silversands...
Joined: Jan '09
Location: South Africa
Age: 34 (M)
Posts: 94
Posted by SuperNoob: u r going great thean, keep it up
TY very much!!
Just had a weird session at fulltilt down 12$ Here are some HH plz tell me what you think of them...
Full Tilt Poker Game #18657470174: Table Zoom (6 max) - $0.02/$0.05 - No Limit Hold'em - 17:27:27 ET - 2010/02/21 Seat 1: hojabr ($1.54) Seat 2: BirdSouffle ($5.54) Seat 3: Poker_Aced ($9.98) Seat 4: numnuts74 ($3.04) Seat 5: Joker_She ($5) Seat 6: foldemcutie ($2.04) numnuts74 posts the small blind of $0.02 Joker_She posts the big blind of $0.05 The button is in seat #3 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to Poker_Aced [Ks Kd] foldemcutie folds hojabr folds BirdSouffle folds Poker_Aced has 8 seconds left to act Poker_Aced raises to $0.17 numnuts74 has 15 seconds left to act numnuts74 folds Joker_She raises to $0.53 Poker_Aced has 15 seconds left to act Poker_Aced raises to $9.98, and is all in Joker_She has 15 seconds left to act Joker_She calls $4.47, and is all in Poker_Aced shows [Ks Kd] Joker_She shows [Jc Ad] Uncalled bet of $4.98 returned to Poker_Aced *** FLOP *** [Ah 3d 9c] *** TURN *** [Ah 3d 9c] *** RIVER *** [Ah 3d 9c 5c] Poker_Aced shows a pair of Kings Joker_She shows a pair of Aces Joker_She wins the pot ($9.36) with a pair of Aces *** SUMMARY *** Total pot $10.02 | Rake $0.66 Board: [Ah 3d 9c 5c 2s] Seat 1: hojabr didn't bet (folded) Seat 2: BirdSouffle didn't bet (folded) Seat 3: Poker_Aced (button) showed [Ks Kd] and lost with a pair of Kings Seat 4: numnuts74 (small blind) folded before the Flop Seat 5: Joker_She (big blind) showed [Jc Ad] and won ($9.36) with a pair of Aces Seat 6: foldemcutie didn't bet (folded)
Full Tilt Poker Game #18656850025: Table Zoom (6 max) - $0.02/$0.05 - No Limit Hold'em - 17:07:24 ET - 2010/02/21 Seat 1: SIMONEYESHER ($3.80) Seat 2: jeffw4130 ($30.81) Seat 3: evad100 ($25.06) Seat 4: mmongui ($1.56) Seat 5: Poker_Aced ($3.59) Seat 6: Zacimus ($7.10) mmongui posts the small blind of $0.02 Poker_Aced posts the big blind of $0.05 The button is in seat #3 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to Poker_Aced [4d Tc] Zacimus calls $0.05 SIMONEYESHER calls $0.05 jeffw4130 calls $0.05 evad100 has 8 seconds left to act evad100 folds mmongui folds Poker_Aced checks *** FLOP *** [4h 4c Js] Poker_Aced checks Zacimus checks SIMONEYESHER checks jeffw4130 bets $0.05 Poker_Aced calls $0.05 Zacimus has 15 seconds left to act Zacimus calls $0.05 SIMONEYESHER folds *** TURN *** [4h 4c Js] Poker_Aced checks Zacimus checks jeffw4130 bets $0.15 Poker_Aced raises to $0.82 Zacimus folds jeffw4130 raises to $1.49 Poker_Aced raises to $3.49, and is all in jeffw4130 calls $2 Poker_Aced shows [4d Tc] jeffw4130 shows [5h 4s] *** RIVER *** [4h 4c Js 5d] Poker_Aced shows a full house, Fours full of Fives jeffw4130 shows a full house, Fives full of Fours jeffw4130 wins the pot ($6.86) with a full house, Fives full of Fours *** SUMMARY *** Total pot $7.35 | Rake $0.49 Board: [4h 4c Js 5d 5c] Seat 1: SIMONEYESHER folded on the Flop Seat 2: jeffw4130 showed [5h 4s] and won ($6.86) with a full house, Fives full of Fours Seat 3: evad100 (button) didn't bet (folded) Seat 4: mmongui (small blind) folded before the Flop Seat 5: Poker_Aced (big blind) showed [4d Tc] and lost with a full house, Fours full of Fives Seat 6: Zacimus folded on the Turn
Full Tilt Poker Game #18655956524: Table Zoom (6 max) - $0.02/$0.05 - No Limit Hold'em - 16:38:12 ET - 2010/02/21 Seat 1: littlejohns_07 ($4.01) Seat 2: crazyweed ($6.33) Seat 3: captainstf ($1.09) Seat 4: shurrthing ($3.09) Seat 5: Poker_Aced ($4.68) Seat 6: michaeljay2010 ($4) Poker_Aced posts the small blind of $0.02 michaeljay2010 posts the big blind of $0.05 The button is in seat #4 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to Poker_Aced [9d 9s] littlejohns_07 folds crazyweed folds captainstf folds shurrthing calls $0.05 Poker_Aced calls $0.03 michaeljay2010 raises to $0.20 shurrthing calls $0.15 Poker_Aced calls $0.15 *** FLOP *** [9c Tc 2c] Poker_Aced checks michaeljay2010 bets $0.60 shurrthing folds Poker_Aced raises to $2.40 michaeljay2010 has 15 seconds left to act michaeljay2010 raises to $3.80, and is all in Poker_Aced calls $1.40 michaeljay2010 shows [Qc 3s] Poker_Aced shows [9d 9s] *** TURN *** [9c Tc 2c] *** RIVER *** [9c Tc 2c Kd] michaeljay2010 shows a flush, Queen high Poker_Aced shows three of a kind, Nines michaeljay2010 wins the pot ($7.66) with a flush, Queen high *** SUMMARY *** Total pot $8.20 | Rake $0.54 Board: [9c Tc 2c Kd 3c] Seat 1: littlejohns_07 didn't bet (folded) Seat 2: crazyweed didn't bet (folded) Seat 3: captainstf didn't bet (folded) Seat 4: shurrthing (button) folded on the Flop Seat 5: Poker_Aced (small blind) showed [9d 9s] and lost with three of a kind, Nines Seat 6: michaeljay2010 (big blind) showed [Qc 3s] and won ($7.66) with a flush, Queen high
And heres 1 that i got fed up with and just shoved...BUT wtf 88????
Full Tilt Poker Game #18657685424: Table Zoom (6 max) - $0.02/$0.05 - No Limit Hold'em - 17:34:34 ET - 2010/02/21 Seat 1: Jayron11 ($5.51) Seat 2: lisa429 ($3.25) Seat 3: groennemand ($27.28) Seat 4: Poker_Aced ($6.96) Seat 5: Mrsholiday ($6.23) Seat 6: OGuuuLF ($5.65) OGuuuLF posts the small blind of $0.02 Jayron11 posts the big blind of $0.05 The button is in seat #5 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to Poker_Aced [Ks Kh] lisa429 folds groennemand folds Poker_Aced has 8 seconds left to act Poker_Aced raises to $6.96, and is all in Mrsholiday calls $6.23, and is all in OGuuuLF folds Jayron11 folds Poker_Aced shows [Ks Kh] Mrsholiday shows [8h 8s] Uncalled bet of $0.73 returned to Poker_Aced *** FLOP *** [Jc 7h Th] *** TURN *** [Jc 7h Th] *** RIVER *** [Jc 7h Th Kd] Poker_Aced shows three of a kind, Kings Mrsholiday shows a pair of Eights Poker_Aced wins the pot ($11.70) with three of a kind, Kings *** SUMMARY *** Total pot $12.53 | Rake $0.83 Board: [Jc 7h Th Kd Qs] Seat 1: Jayron11 (big blind) folded before the Flop Seat 2: lisa429 didn't bet (folded) Seat 3: groennemand didn't bet (folded) Seat 4: Poker_Aced showed [Ks Kh] and won ($11.70) with three of a kind, Kings Seat 5: Mrsholiday (button) showed [8h 8s] and lost with a pair of Eights Seat 6: OGuuuLF (small blind) folded before the Flop
Pretty sick board though, if he had 99 or Ax I think i would have smashed my laptop...
Its like I said earlier,all the donks flock to fulltilt on weekends coz its crazy always and they always seem to run lucky against me...
Joined: Apr '09
Location: Australia
Age: 40 (M)
Posts: 6483
nice story, good luck with it and i look forward to reading your updates..
Also, i know what you mean about "it felt like waiting for christmas" when you're getting your first NDB.. it's pretty exciting, partly because you're not entirely convinced either.. so you're also so surprised when you really get the money..
Joined: Feb '09
Location: Philippines
Age: 67 (M)
Posts: 96
That is Poker, sometimes you go on a tilt. When this happens to you, forget Poker for a while and do something else. Relax and clear your mind about the losses you incurred. In a day or two, you will be your old self again.
and it is not an easy one. Most of the people reading will probably laugh but its not that simple. You noticed that You played bad and correlated it to tiredness only because You was really tired. Problem lies when one is not so tired, lets say 1 hour shorter sleep than usual, and while You can play your best game for some time you will have your thinking capacity reduced, if not immediately then really quick. Whats worse is to have predetermined number of hours to play in combination with only 1 hours less sleep and you are on your way to downswing. How?
can start coming in...
if you don't bust your bankroll ...
May I have to be worried ? 
