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PokerStars Game #34473085026: Tournament #207770217, $1.00+$0.10 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (125/250) - 2009/10/25 11:46:14 WET [2009/10/25 7:46:14 ET] Table '207770217 118' 9-max Seat #8 is the button Seat 1: pilz13 (13023 in chips) Seat 2: El34nor (6475 in chips) Seat 3: Alexandr1999 (3405 in chips) Seat 4: gaztheyorkie (53107 in chips) Seat 5: McLaren88 (4265 in chips) Seat 6: Julienvig (3675 in chips) Seat 7: J DRIFTWOOD (11500 in chips) Seat 8: Igpak (29548 in chips) Seat 9: Viktrch (16130 in chips) pilz13: posts the ante 25 El34nor: posts the ante 25 Alexandr1999: posts the ante 25 gaztheyorkie: posts the ante 25 McLaren88: posts the ante 25 Julienvig: posts the ante 25 J DRIFTWOOD: posts the ante 25 Igpak: posts the ante 25 Viktrch: posts the ante 25 Viktrch: posts small blind 125 pilz13: posts big blind 250 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to gaztheyorkie [Ah As] El34nor: folds Alexandr1999: folds gaztheyorkie: raises 500 to 750 McLaren88: folds Julienvig: folds J DRIFTWOOD: folds Igpak: raises 500 to 1250 Viktrch: folds pilz13: folds gaztheyorkie: raises 51832 to 53082 and is all-in Igpak: calls 28273 and is all-in Uncalled bet (23559) returned to gaztheyorkie *** FLOP *** [6h Tc Qs] *** TURN *** [6h Tc Qs] *** RIVER *** [6h Tc Qs 2d] *** SHOW DOWN *** gaztheyorkie: shows [Ah As] (a pair of Aces) Igpak: shows [Ad Kc] (a straight, Ten to Ace) Igpak collected 59646 from pot *** SUMMARY *** Total pot 59646 | Rake 0 Board [6h Tc Qs 2d Jh] Seat 1: pilz13 (big blind) folded before Flop Seat 2: El34nor folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 3: Alexandr1999 folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 4: gaztheyorkie showed [Ah As] and lost with a pair of Aces Seat 5: McLaren88 folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 6: Julienvig folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 7: J DRIFTWOOD folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 8: Igpak (button) showed [Ad Kc] and won (59646) with a straight, Ten to Ace Seat 9: Viktrch (small blind) folded before Flop
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Why the hell did you go all in with a 50 000 stack for a pot of 3 000. I know you want a call with AK when you have aces but it's a lazy and stupid way of playing. You probly could have made him fold if you played the flop/turn and still made a decent profit. You'd have a right to complain if he was a donkey and beat you but when you turn the game into a preflop gamble (yes I know how that sounds with AA) but you should expect more bad beats.
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Got to agree with that, which such a big stack and prob. a good table image you could reraised less so he will wonder bout your hand. You would have had enough chips left to put him off his hand on flop or turn.
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Posted by awood88: Why the hell did you go all in with a 50 000 stack for a pot of 3 000. I know you want a call with AK when you have aces but it's a lazy and stupid way of playing. You probly could have made him fold if you played the flop/turn and still made a decent profit. You'd have a right to complain if he was a donkey and beat you but when you turn the game into a preflop gamble (yes I know how that sounds with AA) but you should expect more bad beats.
BS every time you can get your chips in pre-flop with AA in a heads up situation is a good move. Even in MTT. But especially in cash. You're not gonna win every time obviously. But if you manage to get your chips in, great.
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I'm not saying that all players being all-in preflop isn't a good situation when you have AA. What I'm criticising is the move all-in with the low pot. Of course you want your opponent to call with any hand but there are some hands you want your opponent to have more than others. By pushing here no experienced op can call with A9 A10 or AJ even if they think your bluffing. It's not worth their risk. You're more likely to be called with a pair or suited cards which have better odds of cracking your aces. So even though you want a call from any hand, especially AK, you are increasing your chances of a bad beat. Going all in with a pot this size will never be as +ev as playing aces properly. I think he should of re-raised preflop and of course called any following re-raises or pushed all-in if the pot gets big enough. The bad beat will still happen but that's just unforunate. At least he can then say he played the hand right.
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Well it happens, could have been worse like i already had AA and opponent 88 : flop AKK im all in he calls turn : 8 river : 8 This is a sick bad beat :/
Damned fuc*** bad beat It'a s part of this game and some guys like to look for coinflips. Personally I try to avoid, expecially when I'm still far from money position
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Ok look lets look at it how this really is.
1. gaztheyorkie: raises 500 to 750 <<< everyone at the table knows that i have been playing extreme tag! so this raise is justified
2. Igpak: raises 500 to 1250 - ok i have him as LAG and extreme at that But i decide to give him credit for a hand, if he believes he has it then so be it But if he has Axx as i suspect then i can either throw him out the hand now OR take his chips,
3. gaztheyorkie: raises 51832 to 53082 and is all-in hence this move to show i am not messing around,
4. Igpak: calls 28273 and is all-in - now im a little suprised here so i open range on him and guess before they flip he has PP he wastes about 10 seconds before moving his stack in.
5. Now heres the issue i appreciate that you guys feel that the move was very aggressive and the intention there was to drop him out the hand there and then, he didnt get to 28k without being a donkey (trust me 2 hours of watching his play)
6. no way on gods eartham i folding AA pre flop or post flop Unless OESD came flop then i am making tester bet then more than likely folding if i have doubts.
Now heres the issue i had at this stage, the dude will NOT lay a hand down, on that flop he would have shoved and i would have had to seriuosly consider folding. because i had good info on him i could not let him see the flop with any old crap and i felt he would fold pre.
Now the flip side is i cant blame him entirely for shoving with AK but i wouldnt be doing this with chipleader re popping a RE RAISE, not with AK i would presume he has PP AA,KK,QQ and fold.
I didnt add this as was still playing. i am suprised how people seem to want to out play on the flop? why give the opponent cards to catch up?
i stand by my play and in the same situation would make the move 100 times over.
this is just an unlucky hand, i nailed him later for it. he actually typed a few abusive things in the chatbox hoping i would tilt off the remainder of my stack UL for him i wasnt in the mood to be tilted.
he bubbles shoving 99 into my AK on a AKK25 board ty please karma
Its not that bad of move getting it in preflop with the best hand... but even the aces are just a pair after all & not invincible & i also have done the same thing before, greatly overbetting pots and had aces cracked on several SICK SICK occasions like getting beat out by total donks holding 78s and 44 ( among others). But i gotta agree with a big stack of 50,00 and a pot worth only 3,000, i dont really understand why you would put up half your stack at risk, even against a LAG nit? I would def, repop his raise, and outplay him postflop... but the prob with that is that most donks just will NOT NOT laydown AK lol, tough spot to be in either way but if you gamble with aces preflop then expect to win most the time, but also expect some horrendous beats along the way too.
karma
