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Sorry dude, but in his position i think he actually made a good play, he has top pair good kicker,and he has up and down straight draw, so even if he was behind he has outs to improve on further streets,and second more important if he has more chips then it you its a great chance for knock out.If you dont use chances like this in tournaments you will for sure find your self in a situation to gamble later in the game with weaker hands or be foreced to steal with garbage to survive the blinds. i didnt look at the calculator but i think you were like 50/50 good old coin flip
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I don't like your pre-flop raise. In a S&G I think it's an easy fold. Your play on the flop is OK to me. I would have done the same in that situation. Just unlucky he had TP + Straight draw.
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I don't really see a need to play that hand, but I guess you were just blind stealing.. Great call on the flop. That's just bad luck though. Stick to your guns. Maybe drop down a level if your running bad
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Simply don't play that hand. -You still have 20BB -Your hand is weakish and easily dominated -Loose player has position on you -Pot will be so high at the flop, you will play for stacks most of the time -If you got raised by one of the blinds, you have to fold
After the flop there was no escape. You could no longer play bet/fold.
Why did you play? Probably half an hour without seeing cards was hard to bear Of course oppo took a risk ( going all in ) but he had good chances to win.
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Posted by shokaku: Simply don't play that hand. -You still have 20BB -Your hand is weakish and easily dominated -Loose player has position on you -Pot will be so high at the flop, you will play for stacks most of the time -If you got raised by one of the blinds, you have to fold
After the flop there was no escape. You could no longer play bet/fold.
Out of all the sense i've read here, this makes the most sense. But I can see you would have loved to knock out a lag with a blank river
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I wouldn't have played those cards, if u waited half an hour u could wait one more minute. only reason to play that hand is to useyour thight image and steal blinds but afterthe flop became the trouble for u. Just a bit unlucky in your hand choice About him I think he played ok.
Posted by shokaku: Simply don't play that hand. -You still have 20BB -Your hand is weakish and easily dominated -Loose player has position on you -Pot will be so high at the flop, you will play for stacks most of the time -If you got raised by one of the blinds, you have to fold
After the flop there was no escape. You could no longer play bet/fold.
Out of all the sense i've read here, this makes the most sense. But I can see you would have loved to knock out a lag with a blank river
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]Posted by magatt966: I wouldn't have played those cards, if u waited half an hour u could wait one more minute. .only reason to play that hand is to useyour thight image and steal blinds but afterthe flop became the trouble for u. Just a bit unlucky in your hand choice .About him I think he played ok.
yeah abit unlucky i agree.. he have high chance to win too hes lucky to river 9
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The hand itself I believe it s a cooler. Now the other part is that I agree with most of the comments so far, u shouldn t be playing that hand in the first place. U re too early in the table to play that hand which is easily dominated
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i think it was a bad raise pre flop, and after the flop its difficult to lay that hand with so much in pot and u got unlucky on river i would have folded that hand, don't like 10q
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I am not saying this was my best move, but on $170 stakes the play isnot that standard anymore as like abc-poker as we all know, also it was 7handed btw. At all stakes $50 and lower my abc-poker works and have a decent ROI at all the stakes. Also played many $170 stakes but not satisfied at all, think am break even or even a littl negativ on those. There are many players (semi-pros) just buyinn straigth too this Final Phase and crush them with like 30%+ ROI on these $170 which is pretty good imo. Fact was ''moldoca'' was the only 1 who was playing, rest off the table was just uber-tight incl me.
I talked too a friend of mine who is crushing these $170 SNG and he just said he luvs the abc-poker type so easy to read, tricked me also many times. He allways starts tight, then open up earlier then abc-poker tells you and picks many chips off all tight abc-poker players. This is how he plays and crushes them. For now i dont have the skills like his but i only saying, i also played so many off these $170 buyinns and i am not making profit on them just break even. Offcourse you learn abc-poker thats the way to start and be profitable, but these $170 are not middle stakes anymore, they are high stakes (well at PKR they are), with offcourse fish but also many good players who luv to play simple abc-poker players.
Again i am not saying this was my best move, i only think i have to train myself i new style on these high stakes, need to get better with not only just abc-poker which i allways played before. I have many 4th places for $200, many 3rd places for $300 and many 2nd places for $400, fact is i never won this Final.
Btw TY guys for all comments, offcourse i know with ''abc-poker'' this is an easy fold preflop
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Have to say you are right, when I answered I reefered to my experience but only play $10 sng and only sometimes have a shot on $20. there ABC poker is enough
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Posted by shokaku:
Posted by doomdy: offcourse i know with ''abc-poker'' this is an easy fold preflop
Not only ABC. Problem is, that the guy who IS playing has position on you.
True, i did say this wasnt my best move
Just a hand which keeps the discusion open. I just think, its not gonna work for me with my style on these stakes, too easy to read, its just standard abc-poker, its not that its scared money for me (i never buyinn straight, allways do the steps). Fact is winning a Final Phase ticket is not really a problem for me, have 25% ROI on P3 and P4 which is pretty good imo, but the same style i use for P3/P4 doesnt work on P5 (Final) for me. Too many good players in there, i am problably too easy to read for them.
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Just he have top pair and hope 4 cards to get straight but u have 2 pairs and if i play i never fold because 2 strong pairs in hand and u did very well job calling him because i think he only put all in to knock u out bluffing 4 straight and then he saw that u got 10 + Q he at this moment be very sad 4 all in pushing but the river helps him no die just lucky 4 him its about 25 % card giving chance to stay and rivered lucky and he after that river say THX GOD
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Posted by mazas: Just he have top pair and hope 4 cards to get straight but u have 2 pairs and if i play i never fold because 2 strong pairs in hand and u did very well job calling him because i think he only put all in to knock u out bluffing 4 straight and then he saw that u got 10 + Q he at this moment be very sad 4 all in pushing but the river helps him no die just lucky 4 him its about 25 % card giving chance to stay and rivered lucky and he after that river say THX GOD
Actually doomdy is just a 52 to 48 favorite after the flop. So it is a coinflip.
to domdy
