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Joined: Mar '09
Location: Latvia
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Well, saw the main event episodes and i was kinda shocked that Cada won. He was very very very lucky, won 22 vs. JJ, 33 vs. QQ, AQ vs. AK. And the heads up against Moon wasn't that good either. Well maybe if i had seen all of the plays not the ones on TV I would have different opinion. But there wasn't anything spectacular Cada pulled off.
Joined: Dec '07
Location: Denmark
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I think Cada is a good player but he was also lucky. That said, you never win a huge tour only on skill you really need some to luck to get through such a field.
Joined: Dec '09
Location: Belgium
Age: 42 (M)
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Going through a huge field like that needs some luck and a lot, specially at the beginning where the average players makes donk call and can suckout you at anytime.
Anyway you also need some good skills to make it to final table, luck doesnt make it all.
Joined: Apr '09
Location: Australia
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Posted by M3turbo: I think Cada is a good player but he was also lucky. That said, you never win a huge tour only on skill you really need some to luck to get through such a field.
I agree with this. Obv he he pretty skilled to hit the final table. And yes, I don't believe you can take down large MTT without some luck. I can't think of many large MTTs I've placed well in that I haven't at the very least won a few coin flips and more often than not, won a couple I was behind in when the chips went in.
You can turn this question around in as many ways you want to, the can only be one single answer : YES, he deserved to win !
We can all (for those who saw the televised parts) name hands in which he played a little worse, or was very lucky, but if we look at the other players, they had surely had thesame portion of luck etc. No doubt, Joe Cada, like every other player, took a bad beat for every lucky winning hand he had. In tournaments like that, I think honestly that these things tend to even out, and that goes for all players. In the end, to beat that field of players, you cannot "blame" a loss on a stroke of bad luck, just as you can't attribute a winning hand on luck. We all know the song... "everyhand 's a winner, and every hand 's a loser...", and that especially goes for big tournaments.
So in conclusion : I'm sure we'll hear much more of Joe Cada. Winning a big event like that can only be attributed to great skill, generally speaking. And watch out : you really cannot try and take into account the consequences of every bad beat or every lucky river. Those happen, as I said, for all players, and even out over the tournament for each individual player AND over all the players.
Just admit it : the guy is freaking good. Maybe he's too young to admit he's so good
Joined: May '08
Location: Germany
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That final table was painfull to watch. A battle of the luckboxes. But Cada was the better player compared to Moon. But i guess from the whole table Saout played best.
Joined: Nov '08
Location: United Kingdom
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He can say with ease this was his year.... He had a great big dollop of luck and that shows looking back at some of the luck he had coming from behind in pots to win... Now i'm not saying he is a poor player but i am thinking if the cards were stacked a little away from him i dont think he would be there now as champion.....final table maybe but not champ... but in its self he won so congratz to him. That Moon guuy played very well i thought , he was my choice but thats the way the cards hit so thats what history will remember. Not a classic battle but still good to watch.
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Posted by LaBaiz: Well maybe if i had seen all of the plays not the ones on TV I would have different opinion. But there wasn't anything spectacular Cada pulled off.
This is the reason I don't like watching poker on TV.
Darwin Moon played better than cada but luck has its importance in poker; anyway congrats to Cada
Cada and Moon were both extremely lucky, and the whole event came down to who was going to get luckiest.
Cada made a call with middle pair that was absolutely insane. No sensible player would have put their tournament life on the line making that call.
That said, Moon was just as stupid shoving all in on an open ended draw with only the river to come.
Even the final hand pretty much came down to a coinflip. Cada was only a marginal favourite...
So really, I wouldnt have said either player was particularly that good, but I will say this. For a HU specialist ( supposedly ) Cada was given a poker lesson by a complete novice when it got to HU. He may want to rethink his strategies.
Joined: Nov '09
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I also saw in Tv the hands... and i think he was rlly rlllly lucky. He wouldn't get to final table without skills but i don't think he deserved to win it , it was like watching people gambling not playing poker (TV).
Joined: Jan '08
Location: Germany
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well if luck wouldn't be important to win the main event ivey would have won it, probably not only this year this year there were several badbeats at the final table, both moon and cada were not the best players i think, they hit when it was important. but they made it to the final table, so how bad can they be? i think, with luck only it would be hard not to bust for so many days. and they (cada and moon) were in a very special situation, not like ivey who is used to play on tv and has won more money on onlinehighstakes than the main event winner (i guess it can make you nervous when you know that every mistake you make is shown and commentated on tv). they were they guys everybody was looking at: moon as a typical hobbyplayer and moon as the youngster
Joined: May '08
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Well, we allways want the best player to win (imo), Cada did have big luck, in my opinion Saout did play a great final table, he was very unknown but did play very well, unlucky he busted...
I think he was lucky but he's a very strong player too; everytime i watch on tv final tables hands, there are always lots of lucky hands but often finalists are the same. So this counts for me
