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only example ! 10 handed table cash game 0,50$ - 1$ . you have Q 10 spades , 4 persons calling BB and all have around 50 $ stack . flop A S , 7 S , 9 H , 1 bet 5 $ 1 call and 1 fold . So the question is what would do ? would you call or fold ?
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Flush draws can be very profitable but you can't generalise them all and play them one certain way. It all depends on your image and the table image. If everyone else is tight you can semi bluff with a flush draw. You don't want the call and do not expect it but are sure to have outs if you get called. If you think that the raiser is unlikely to fire again you can call and have two chances to hit but if you think that there is likely to be more aggression on the turn you need to work out the odds for one card and fold if you can't afford it. Otherwise you're a donkey. At least i think you are, or maybe a fish, I'm not sure.
I would just give it one shot to see the turn, give there are many outs for a nut flush draw. As for betting the river, that would depend on the bets that come on the turn.
I think with that many people in the pot, folding isnt an option, gotta call theres alot of turn cards that u like esp a J or the spade ofc & pot odds are too good. If i was heads up in this spot against a semi-competent villain, im def raising the Cbet as thats most likely guna get me a free river card if my draw doesnt make it on the turn
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I would call that 5 bucks at least to see the turn and hope if I dont hit it that it wont cost too much to see that killer river too i Know its maby not the best but ...ifI can fold easily the open str8 that open (high cards)flush ....hmmmmmmmm ....no still cant fold hit (with a not to big)
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Posted by TheCardDemon: I would just give it one shot to see the turn, give there are many outs for a nut flush draw. As for betting the river, that would depend on the bets that come on the turn.
Wrong, only the Ks would give him the nut flush
But i think you should call it to see the turn card, if there is a pot bet at the turn then fold. He probably has a AK to AJ. If you call and hit your flush then you would probably win about half of someones stack, not more i think.
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I'm not much for chasing all kinds of draws, but this seems like a nobrainer. With another caller you should have the potodds for at least calling the turn. (Including a bit of implied odds and such...) Just hope that not one of the other players has the KsXs.
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i try play at this situation because more 2 cards was coming so maybe some luck with spades in over hand is the easiest way to loose all pot but u play at this tablee for long time and must know how players play so u must decide yourself .
I agree with shokaku, need more info. There is a lot of posts which need more info, so try and give as much as possible ie: table position, numbers of players and a bit of info about the players from what you have seen about there style of game. This would help with responses from those with experience.
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Posted by Im2good4u: Gotta call on this one as it is also possible to get a straight there. also possible is a straight flush so gotta call, see river then push all in.
Posted by mrnugger: only example ! 10 handed table cash game 0,50$ - 1$ . you have Q 10 spades , 4 persons calling BB and all have around 50 $ stack . flop A S , 7 S , 9 H , 1 bet 5 $ 1 call and 1 fold . So the question is what would do ? would you call or fold ?
Posted by shokaku: A lot of info is missing. Position? What type of players are with us in the hand? (Will they pay us off, if we hit our flush)
The price would be right, if we could see both cards.
I agree with shokaku and Exiles, lots of info missing. What's your pos? I don't like to invest too much into an unraised pot with several limpers. For one, you never know what the small and big blinds hit. Plus you are only in the pot for the flush at this point but you don't have the absolute nut flush. Trust me, getting burned by losing to a K happens more often than you would think. At least one thing is for sure there is def. a paired A on the board and someone has it and you don't. Also, was someone "set mining" and hit??? Now if the board pairs and you make your flush look out cause they are going to come after your stack.
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I think you have some good odds (implied odds!), so its a call. But well its really possible that he bet very strong on turn, so if u dont hit, you fold on turn... but as said shokaku : more information !
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Call it's not an option. You must either fold or raise but never call. I don't think you have implied ods with a pretty obvious FD on the flop. What to choose depends on your game style I guess.
Posted by mrnugger: only example ! 10 handed table cash game 0,50$ - 1$ . you have Q 10 spades , 4 persons calling BB and all have around 50 $ stack . flop A S , 7 S , 9 H , 1 bet 5 $ 1 call and 1 fold . So the question is what would do ? would you call or fold ?
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Posted by shokaku: A lot of info is missing. Position? What type of players are with us in the hand? (Will they pay us off, if we hit our flush)
The price would be right, if we could see both cards.
I agree that there is no way you can say what to do in this example. As i said in my post you need to know what kind of players are on the table. But I think everyone is missing the words "only example". mrnugger is not asking about this specific situation, he's trying to generalise all flush draw situations. That's why he's been quite vague but of course the question is stupid cos you can't play all flush draws the same.
